Re: Paint schemes timlines
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Richard Orr <SUVCWORR@...>
Tim,
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Jerry corrected items 1, 2, and 3. The photo of model of the Nk3 with a CK has been removed. The model of the Sk2b is still there without seeing the actual model it is very difficult to tell if the numerals are the same size as reporting marks. The photo of 720452 was removed. Item 7 this is again a photo of a model which may or may not have incorrect height letters. The MOW schemes which would include the stores scheme are not covered. No idea where this originated with respect to the cited page. I do not see anything that would indicate the "Don't stand me still" slogan and the calendar number are contemporaneous. The calendar numbers were only used for 6 months in 1954 where the slogan was not adopted until 1955 and only applied to 500 X29D boxcars. All-in-all Rick comments were valid a number of years ago but are no longer are applicable to the site since all the errors were corrected except for 2 photos of models. Which are as with all models the builders interpretation of reality. Rich Orr
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 4:43 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Paint schemes timlines Rich Orr wrote The PRR shadow Keystone was first applied to class X48 (PS-1) boxcars in February, 1954. It began being applied to all freight cars in August 1954. The plain keystone was adopted in late 1961 and applied to all cars beginning in 1962. Keep in mind that there are 4 different shadow keystone schemes because of changes in the font used in the reporting marks and numerals. For the complete list of PRR P/L schemes see http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/schemes.php ===================================================================== Rich, I wonder if it is worthwhile to re-post this old email from the original Freightcars mailing list from Rick Tipton regarding the information available on the Keystone Crossings web site. I don't know enough about PRR schemes to know whether Rick's "nitpicks" were valid or are still valid today. The was posted in January 1999. Tim O'Connor ====================================================================== All of you must have had a great holiday season, as only Terry Stuart picked up the challenge to critique points of accuracy on the Keystone Crossings website freight car lettering "page." Thanks to Jerry Britton for being tolerant of my beefing about fine points of PRR's freight car lettering practices; I appreciate his continuing work in keeping us all communicating via Keystone Crossings and PRR-Talk. As promised, here's my New Year's Eve list of nitpicks on the freight car scheme portion of the Keystone Crossings website. Again, I apologize for being a scale rule Richard (pun intended here), but I've been researching this area pretty hard recently, and Jerry and I both want the posted info to be correct. It's unfortunate that the Summer 1988 Keystone is out of print, as Brady McGuire's article illustrates all the below so well: DESCRIPTIONS 1. NK3 "PENNSYLVANIA" is not double-underlined on any of the NK3 pictures I've found. I've just verified this again from PRR freight car photos in a 1916 Car Builder's Cyclopedia. A one-inch bar is placed between the 7" PENNSYLVANIA and the 7" car number, like PENNSYLVANIA 123456 2. NK4. Says the number is underlined, but "PENNSYLVANIA" is not. More correctly, the 7" reporting marks are bracketed above and below by 1" lines: _____________ PENNSYLVANIA 123456 3. "Don't Stand Me Still" and the calendar script numbers aren't contemporaries, and aren't used on the same car. - DSMS was used only on X29D. In fact, it was used only on 500 of the X29D's that were rebuilt in August 1955, well into the SK1b period. - SK1a was used on just a few cars (February to June 1954): 20 X48's, the first order of 350 H34's, and a few boxcar repaints. - Don't confuse X29D rebuilds with X29B. X29B's rebuilds (1948) were way too early to carry SK1a, although some did carry MS1 Merchandise scheme, which is of course based on the CK scheme. CAR MODELS SHOWN ON THE SITE 4. PRR 913467 has reporting marks of NK3, but carries CK herald. Wonder if this ever happened in real life? No prototype photos like this known to me. 5. PRR 69636 is recognizably SK2b pattern, but the PRR and the 69636 don't look the same size. They should both be 7" letters. 6. PRR 720452 looks like SK2a (not SK2b) to me, because the reporting marks are in Roman. 7. PRR 67402 represents PK, but the numbers 67402 look a little small. According to Brady, these were 10" numerals under a 14" bold Gothic PRR. 8. And from Terry Stuart: PRR 497289 Terry questions the white S in a white box. In every prototype boxcar picture I've seen with this style stores marking, the S is yellow in a yellow box, not white. Terry is also correct that the PRR is not quite the correct lettering style. It should probably be slightly fatter (it's BOLD Gothic) and placed slightly lower, since this is just extra markings (and a nonrevenue car number) on a PK paint scheme. BTW, just to keep the pot boiling, does anybody have a strong opinion of which phase (s) is represented by Bowser's lettering of the F30A flat car? If so, what persuades you it belongs to that phase? Rick Tipton On the Panhandle in Louisville KY ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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