Re: Curious about veracity

Schuyler Larrabee

Thanks,, Bill, for a pretty comprehensive answer. Ultimately, the fishbelly
underframe could be minimized by the same technique we're using on the
current Shake'n'Take car, whether the overall underframe would be like that
project or not. At least, there'd be no fishbelly hanging down there. But
the roof's a conundrum, I suppose.


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Where to begin?!

The paint and stenciling are correct for the PM car as build. 125 of these
cars went to FGE in 1940 and were placed in their 16100-299 series. As built
they had straight u/f's and hatch platforms. I am unsure about the roof
except I know it was NOT the Hutchins roof on the Accurail car. Under FGE
ownership they did receive the Hutchins roof and once rebuilt with these the
cars looked exactly like the cars built by FGE and WFE to FGE's 1921 Design,
as did the 49 similar cars FGE acquired from the C&O.

Ben's comments about the PRR model are accurate. However, one of the most
obscure groups of cars owned by FGE were one hundred steel rebuilds w/R7
u/f's. With their flat plate steel ends they do resemble and X29 with reefer
doors. I would love to see drawing of the intended PRR steel reefer--if they
exist--to see if they might have inspired these rebuilds. These rebuilds had
the typical FGE Hutchins roof. I have only three photos to document what
cars looked like. One is New Haven I-79, a MOW car while another shows only
the "B" end while in B&O Ice Service. A third shows an example being iced so
it provides a good view of the roof. The lengths one has to go to document a
car sometimes!

In Accurail's release there are also a FGE car and a WFE car, accurately
lettered & numbered but the real cars did not have fishbelly u/f's. Both
companies did own reefers w/fishbelly u/f's however. I am using a
Westerfield Type I AC&F kit to model the WFE example and a thirdhand FGE
series they received from the O&W. These had relatively short doors. B&O and
FEC also furnished fishbelly types to FGE. These may have retained their
original Murphy roofs and platforms surrounding the ice hatches. I have two
undec. Branchline AC&F kits I intend to use to model these cars as their
roof is easier to modify and the ends will not required any modification,
plus that have separately applied details. Photo documentation is VERY
sketchy on all of these.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <> , Benjamin Hom
<b.hom@...> wrote:

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"New Accurail kits for June.

Are these legitimate models of actual prototypes?

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NO for PRR. The only 40 ft reefers built for PRR before the formation of
Growers Express were the Class R7 single-sheathed cars. There were
to build reefers based on the Class X29 boxcar design, but these were

Ben Hom

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