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From: cnw1045@gmail.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Re: New InterMountain C&O hopper



Hi Don, I think there were modelable rail flows of bituminous coal from W. Va. to Vt., N.H., and Maine. For Vermont and New Hampshire, the 1% carload waybill survey suggest in 1952 and 1957 that all rail flows were dominant; for Maine marine/rail redistributional shipments were dominant. I've posted the data here together with some comments: http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/09/on-stfmc-list-don-valentine-wrote.html Regards, Charles Hostetler --- In stmfc@yahoogroups.com, <riverman_vt@...> wrote: Ahhh, but that's the point, Tim. Those states are not northern New England. What coal came into northern New England from the N&W, C&O
and Virginian areas I suspect came in on water and was delivered from
places like Boston, Salem, Portsmouth, Portland and Searsport in hopper cars of teh B&M, MEC and BAR rather than those of the originating roads. Thus I'll find a way to justify one InterMountain C&O hopper rather than four or five and be satisfied with that.

Cordially, Don Valentine


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>
> Mike, this seems incorrect to me. N&W (and no doubt C&O, B&O, VGN, NYC)
> shipped WV coal to New England, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York.
> There are photos. Of course some may be loaded with other coal, but at
> least we can say that N&W hoppers made it to those states.
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
> >Don Valentine writes:
> >
> >"This maybe the luck of the draw but has also caused me to
> >wonder just how many C&O hoppers ever made it to northern New England
> >rather than spent their entire lives in tide coal traffic. The same
> >seems to be even more the case with N&W and Virginian hoppers. Can
> >someone offer some knowledgeable advise on this topic?"
> >
> >Well, as I have noted before, the term "tide coal" doesn't work when you
> >refer to N&W hoppers...assuming you refer to the Atlantic coast "tide". From
> >Richard Prince's Norfolk & Western Pocahontas coal carrier, pg 240, "In 1948
> >N&W originated 52,000,000 tons of coal. Of that, 22,000,000 tons went west
> >by rail. 10,000,000 tons went through Sandusky and Toledo Great Lake ports.
> >Of the remaining 20,000,000 tons going east, about 10,000,000 tons went
> >through Lambert Point [ tide ], 2,500,000 tons went into the Carolina's. The
> >remainder went north into Maryland and DC and the rest was consumed in VA.
> >However, as you suggest, little if any went into New England...wherever that
> >is.
> >
> >Mike Brock
>



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