Re: CB&Q mill gons
Thanks for filling in some of the blanks. Any ideas about the extended height on the inside of the sides of #82253 in the Holbrook photo from Spoor p. 89?
Later, Dave Sarther
From: 'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sat, Jun 21, 2014 3:34 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q mill gons
Additional to Dave’s notes, 82000-82199 were built in1951 at Havelock as GM-4 and had the same dimensions as the later GM-4A.
82200-82549 and 82550-83139 were class GM-4A built at Havelock in 1955 and 1957-8 respectively. 82346-82355 had wooden flooring for the Atomic Energy Commission instead of a nailable steel floor. 26 GM-4A’s were rebuilt in 1959-60 with sides and ends 12 inches higher (now 4’ 6”) and removable sectional roofs, and were reclassed GM-4C. 82200-82239 (except 82219 and 82223) were rebuilt in 1968 with the sides and ends raised 2”.
A further 10 cars 23150-23159 classed GM-4B were built in 1957-8 with 4’ 6” sides, with removable sectional roofs.
You could also look for photos of two other classes of cars to help you – GM-4D 83150-83249 and GM-4F 83250-83299 built in 1959 and 1962 respectively – that were identical to the GM-4A but with the higher 4’ 6” sides similar to the GM-4C’s.
If you want the construction appearance as opposed to the paint scheme, a large number of GM-4’s and GM-4A’s made it to BN, number series 566200-566399, 574600-574639, 556700-556774, 558000-558003, and 575800-575814.
The closest ORER I have to the year 1958 that shows that car series is a 1964 ORER.
For photos I found one of a well used CB&Q #82253 by Dan Holbrook taken at Congress Park along the "Q" triple track main line in Mike Spoor's book CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment on page 89. The caption reads: " On July 5, 1975 CB&Q #82253 rolls past the passenger shelter at Congress Park. It was built in 1955 at Havelock as one of 350 Class GM-4A gondolas (#82200- #82594) with solid ends, an inside length of 52' 6" and a capacity of 1,761 cu ft."
This photo in Spoor's book shows #82253 with an interesting insert but it is not described as one of the group with a roof from Note O described above. Perhaps someone else from the list has more info about what is shown inside #82253.
I would also suggest a search for CB&Q #82253 or any other number from the #82200-83139 series cars on Google: www.rrpicturearchives.net or http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2349724
Later, Dave Sarther
From: GARY garywildu@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: stmfc <stmfc@...>
Sent: Sat, Jun 21, 2014 9:16 am
Subject: [STMFC] Good Book on Gon. from the 50's
Look for a book or photo's on gon's in the 50"s .Namely CB&Q 82200 , NYC 705000, Soo 7501, IBH 6000 etc. series car. I have a list of about 10 different railroad to try and find. Trying to match car numbers with photo's so I can find models of these car to add to my 1958 car fleet. Car are off a dispatcher sheet's from 58 hot box report. Thanks for any help on where to look for this.