Re: UTLX Tank Car Designations
Steve and Barb Hile
The photo of 94785 was used by Richard in an article on the P2k 8000 gallon Type 21 cars in the February 1998 RMJ. The photo was taken in 1945 and if from the MD McCarter collection. The car shows as built 5-20, with the Z20 on the end. It had heaters, as was evidenced by the round cap high on the end, where the coils had been inserted. 77340 is, most likely, a similar car, without heaters. I am quite sure that Richard worked with LL to identify good car number candidates.
UTLX purchased various car fleets in the late 20’s and 30’s, but data is sketchy on which ones became which car numbers on UTLX. But I can tell you that both of the above numbers did exist in the 1936 tariff listing for UTLX and in the 1952 listing of cars as 8000 gallon cars.
Hope this is helpful.
Thanks very much, that is helpful. Sounds like Union was not very consistent in their use of the "Z" designation.
I wonder if the photo you have showing "Z20" formed the basis of LifeLike's lettering on the T21 kit that I have (maybe with Richard's input?). The kit is for UTLX 77340, with what seems to be conflicting built date info (both 1920 and 1923 can be found on the sides). Can you tell me anything more about that particular photo?
Interesting you should mention split K brakes. I went through all the builder's photos in Kaminski's book. "Type 21" (i.e., non radial) cars built from 1919 to 1922 had KD brakes, with rare exception. 1923 seems to be a transitional year, while cars built from 1924 into the early 1930s all had KC brakes. I am wondering why AC&F (or its customers) might have preferred KD brakes initially, and what then prompted the switch to KC. Do you have any thoughts?
On Monday, January 19, 2015 9:05 PM, "'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC]" wrote:
I have never been able to figure out a code for the use of Z’s on the end of UTLX tank car. Class Z cars were, in a 1952 UTLX car listing, were those built to Car Builder’s design, rather than the UTLX designs, such as V, X and X-3.
In photos that I have looked at, some have just Z, another has ZX, yet another says ZX02. I have a copy of the photo that shows Z20, it is apparently taken at some time before the 1950’s as the car appears to have the split version of the K brake systems. But cars in this series are still listed as Class Z cars in the 1952 UTLX car listing. On the other hand, I have a photo of a car built by GAT in 1920 for UTLX’s Products Tank Line (PX.) In the end view, only the Z is marked on the end.
Sorry that I can’t provide anything more definitive.
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Subject: [STMFC] UTLX Tank Car Designations
Back in November, you straightened me out on UTLX's use of the "Z" designation for tank cars not of their design (i.e., not X-3s). I am looking at another LifeLike P2k kit for an AC&F Type 21, this one 8000 gallons. It has "Z20" stenciled on the end. The build date is 1920.
Do you know was the UTLX practice to stencil the Z followed by the build year, or is there another explanation here?
Thanks for any advice you can provide.