Re: UTLX Tank Car Designations
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Dave Parker
Steve: Thanks, this too is very helpful. The 94785 number is consistent with my 1935 OERE, but not the 1930, suggesting an early 1930s acquisition by Union. The 77340 number is consistent with number ranges found in both OEREs, suggesting acquisition sometime in the 1920s. I had no problem finding the 1919 tank car tariff listing (Google book), but I gather the 1936 version is very scarce and harder to track down. Could you perhaps provide a bit more bibliographic information so that I can try to locate it in a library collection? Thanks! Dave Parker Riverside, CA On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:30 PM, "'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC]" wrote: Dave,
The photo of 94785 was used by Richard in
an article on the P2k 8000 gallon Type 21 cars in the February 1998 RMJ.
The photo was taken in 1945 and if from the MD McCarter collection. The
car shows as built 5-20, with the Z20 on the end. It had heaters, as was
evidenced by the round cap high on the end, where the coils had been
inserted. 77340 is, most likely, a similar car, without heaters. I
am quite sure that Richard worked with LL to identify good car number
candidates.
UTLX purchased various car fleets in the
late 20’s and 30’s, but data is sketchy on which ones became which
car numbers on UTLX. But I can tell you that both of the above numbers did
exist in the 1936 tariff listing for UTLX and in the 1952 listing of cars as
8000 gallon cars.
Hope this is helpful.
Regards,
Steve Hile
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:47 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] UTLX Tank Car Designations Steve:
Thanks
very much, that is helpful. Sounds like Union
was not very consistent in their use of the "Z" designation.
I
wonder if the photo you have showing "Z20" formed the basis of
LifeLike's lettering on the T21 kit that I have (maybe with Richard's
input?). The kit is for UTLX 77340, with what seems to be conflicting
built date info (both 1920 and 1923 can be found on the sides). Can you
tell me anything more about that particular photo?
Interesting
you should mention split K brakes. I went through all the builder's
photos in Kaminski's book. "Type 21" (i.e., non radial) cars
built from 1919 to 1922 had KD brakes, with rare exception. 1923 seems to
be a transitional year, while cars built from 1924 into the early 1930s all had
KC brakes. I am wondering why AC&F (or its customers) might have
preferred KD brakes initially, and what then prompted the switch to KC.
Do you have any thoughts?
Thanks
again.
Dave
Parker
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Monday, January 19, 2015 9:05 PM, "'Steve and Barb Hile'
shile@... [STMFC]" wrote:
Dave,
I have never been able to
figure out a code for the use of Z’s on the end of UTLX tank car.
Class Z cars were, in a 1952 UTLX car listing, were those built to Car
Builder’s design, rather than the UTLX designs, such as V, X and
X-3.
In photos that I have
looked at, some have just Z, another has ZX, yet another says ZX02. I
have a copy of the photo that shows Z20, it is apparently taken at some time
before the 1950’s as the car appears to have the split version of the K
brake systems. But cars in this series are still listed as Class Z cars
in the 1952 UTLX car listing. On the other hand, I have a photo of a car
built by GAT in 1920 for UTLX’s Products Tank Line (PX.) In the end
view, only the Z is marked on the end.
Sorry that I can’t
provide anything more definitive.
Regards,
Steve Hile
From: STMFC@...
[mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 6:38 PM To: 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] Subject: [STMFC] UTLX Tank Car Designations Steve:
Back
in November, you straightened me out on UTLX's use of the "Z"
designation for tank cars not of their design (i.e., not X-3s). I am
looking at another LifeLike P2k kit for an AC&F Type 21, this one 8000
gallons. It has "Z20" stenciled on the end. The build date is
1920.
Do
you know was the UTLX practice to stencil the Z followed by the build year, or
is there another explanation here?
Thanks
for any advice you can provide.
Dave
Parker
Riverside, CA
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