Re: PS-1 "clones"

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>

Tim and friends,

I personally would consider the cars to be "clones" if they used Pullman sides, ends and roofs, the signature pieces that make a PS-1 look like a PS-1.

I understand that the underframes of the Pullman-built cars differed quite a bit over time, and maybe depending on the buyer's preferences. Some were said to ride on AAR standard underframes. Since this is not a generally visual feature, I could give the underframes a pass and still call the car a "clone".

Other major parts would be "specialties" (brake wheels, running boards/brake steps, doors and even trucks), and they varied widely by buyer's preference and over time, so I wouldn't count this stuff against a "clone".

I wouldn't discount the B&O M-67 as a "clone" because of its height (not saying anyone else did). Pullman built 10' IH PS-1s for the D&LW, NH (2 lots) and some door-and-a-half 50' cars for the USN.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

On 8/6/15 4:26 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:


I've never heard them called PS-1 clones, but the NP used Pullman parts
to build 40 foot combination door box cars at the Brainerd MN shops. And
Evans and North American often used Pullman car parts. What do you consider
to be a true "clone" ? Did the IC cars have 100% Pullman PS-1 parts or did
they mix it up with SRE parts, or Youngstown underframes, etc?

Tim O'Connor

>Besides the IC cars, does anyone know of other PS-1 clones assembled by
>railroad shops from Pullman-supplied parts?
>Yours Aye,
>Garth Groff

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