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Dale, if you're going to deliberately misunderstand what I wrote,
there's no point in continuing. Or perhaps you really don't
what ORIGINATE means.
Elsewhere in the document I have are numbers on (1) originate and
on line (2) originate off line and terminate on line (3) origin on
and terminate off line (4) and originate and terminate off line (i.e.
Livestock car loads were very light -- similar to LCL loads. I remember
PRR document I examined once that showed the number was around 12-15
per carload. As a result, tonnage can't be directly compared to
for many different kinds of cargo. The numbers I gave were for tons
In any case, your original post said there was no data that showed a
in animal traffic during the 1930's. I provided that data for
The 1941-1945 ICC steam RR
annual reports break "animals and products" into 22
While livestock movements are only a portion of that category, it is
interesting to see the relative proportion of Livestock freight movements
compared to the overall "animal and products"
In 1941, for the US overall, horses, cattle, sheep, goats and hogs
610,074 car loadings, representing 49% of all "animals and
products" car loadings
6.7M tons, representing 40% of "animal and products"
$55M in freight revenue, representing 30% of all "Animal and
While the tonnage for "fresh meats, N.O.S." was only 1/2 of
livestock tonnage, the revenue was $52M, only about 6% less than
Perhaps an interesting number for modeling purposes is that, nationally,
2.3 stock cars were loaded with livestock for every "fresh
meats" car loadings, which one would presume were meat
Specific to some railroads:
The PRR handled 1.3 stock cars with livestock for each car load of
"fresh meats", which one would assume to be meat
For the ATSF, this carload ratio was 9.5 to 1.
For the NYCentral, the ratio was 0.79 to 1.
For many of the mid-size and smaller eastern roads, "fresh
meats" outnumbered livestock moves by significant amounts - ratios
of 5 to 10 to 1 or even higher the further east the road.
According to the ICC report, in 1941 the Illinois Terminal RR only
handled 15 car loads of livestock and one car of "Fresh meats",
while the CB&Q handled 67,207 carloads of livestock, and 22,474
carloads of fresh meat.
Not sure the percentage changes within Illinois tell the full story....
Perhaps the Illinois report counted cars moved in interchange by a
terminal RR differently than the ICC did?
---In STMFC@..., wrote :
"Animal products" is a huge category -- from hides, bone meal,
whole animal carcasses, milk, butter, cheese to processed meats, etc
A total of 183 cargo categories according to the July 12, 1941
the Alton Railroad Company".
Total Originating in Illinois (on 12 major railroads) --
1928-1920 inclusive: 4,098,376 tons
1937-1939 inclusive: 2,225,570 tons -- average decline
The largest percentage declines are shown for several railroads that did
great deal of business in Illinois: ALTON 68% CB&Q 58% WABASH
A lesser decline is shown for IC - 37% - which by 1939 was originating
"animal products" in Illinois than any other railroad. The
CB&Q had been the
leader in the 1928-1930 period.
Only one railroad shows an increase in originated tons: Illinois