Re: Interesting Photo of a Box Car and Load
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Eric Hansmann
Thanks for the details, George! I would be most interested in attending a
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presentation on the SRHA archives. I enjoyed a Nick Fry's recent presentation on the Barriger Library at the RPM Valley Forge meet. There is a mountain of material out there, but we don't know where or how to look for it in many cases. I just reviewed my 1926 ORER and wanted to share the following date on the Southern box car under discussion. Southern 150555 is one of the 150000-153457 series with 3359 listed in service. It is listed with the following dimensions: 8-foot interior height, 13-foot, 3-inch height to running board, 2448 cubic capacity, and 60,000 pound capacity. This series is listed as having steel center sills. Over 8000 other cars in different series have similar specifications, but are being equipped with steel center sills. The Westerfield models reflect the Southern 153500-159889 series, among others. These cars are listed with the following dimensions. 8-foot, 3.25-inch interior height, 13-foot, 3-inch height to running board, 2537 cubic capacity, and 80,000 pound capacity I suspect steel carlines and roof components were used on the later versions, which lead to a slight interior height increase and larger cubic capacity. The 40-ton capacity is a result of heftier truck journals. Hardware differences are the main spotting features. Wood ends and a wood roof should place a 36-foot Southern box car with the pre-WW1 cars. Steel ends and roofs place the car with the post-WW1 cars. I'm certain it's not always that simple, but it is a start. Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:19 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting Photo of a Box Car and Load Although more research can be done, here is some additional information on Southern 150555. It is from an order for cars 150000-151006. 725 36 ft, 30-ton steel center sill (SCS) box cars were purchased in 1916, 282 in 1917. They are shown in the ICC Valuation records as VO (Valuation Order) 3 Group 2 in Account 53 on page 158 dated 12-31-27. Appearing on the initial valuations helps confirm they were built and on the roster before the first group of valuation entries were done 1916-1927. They were built by Lenore Car Works on Southern Contract 633 and paid for on Equipment Trust "T". (There are more than 1,000 contracts in the SRHA archives and most of the Southern equipment trust records. Although not typically very technical, those documents help "triangulate" data from other sources. That is useful when researching records back to the beginning of the Southern Railway System.) Card Record F-59 (called "F-cards") shows all of the drawings for these cars. Although I have not dug down to drawings showing individual chain links to confirm, virtually all of the drawing exist as original linens in the SRHA collections. The cover of the F-Card describes 350 cars were equipped with Bradford draft gear and 973 with Farlow. Drawing SF-1078 is the General Arrangement drawing. The F-Card also lists auto box cars in the 160000-160499 series. That is typical of the period as box cars, vents, auto and stock cars were built to Southern specifications with many common parts to reduce maintenance inventory. For cars not built by Lenore, Southern would supply castings (from Lenore Foundry), new or used brake gear, couplers and trucks to be used in their orders. A practice that made car builders very unhappy because they could not charge for those parts. All of this information, on virtually all SR freight and passenger equipment is in the SRHA archives. If anyone wants to visit, contact me at archives@srha.net. If this is not too boring for many people (apologies for the bandwidth) and I am invited to speak at CCB next year, maybe a "deep dive" clinic on this material may be useful? George Eichelberger
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