Re: Rust-oleum Dead Flat Finish
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David Sieber
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From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of LEKASING@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:41 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Digest Number 10647 We just got back from the local Home Depot with a can. It's under the Rustoleum Universal Advanced Formula line, white and silver can with a trigger type top. Part #302151 Dead Flat Clear. The can label has Clear Durable Top Coat on the center of the label, dead flat towards the bottom. First try is drying now looks great. Lee Lee Singletary L&NHS Alabaster, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: Jedalberg@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> To: notify-dg-STMFC <notify-dg-STMFC@...>; STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2017 10:41 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] Digest Number 10647 Now after all these 18000 messages, about flat or not flat, or totally flat, l went down to the local HD yesterday---about 800 Rust colors, but no 'dead flat", nada, lots of Matte, etc.I was terribly disapointed1 I normally use either dullcote, or slightly more preferentially, the ModeMaster flat. It all dulls, and truth be told, is there a big difference? Aside from that , just don't like to get the airbrush out---! Jim Balberg Paoli, Pa! -----Original Message----- From: STMFC <STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>> To: STMFC <STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:34 am Subject: [STMFC] Digest Number 10647 [Yahoo! Groups] <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGM3c2dzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960. Group <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMjd0cWRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BHNlYwNoZHIEc2xrA2hwaARzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> 15 Messages Digest #10647 1a Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Garth Groff" ggg9y 1b Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom 1c Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Scott H. Haycock" haycockscott 1d Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Garth Groff" ggg9y 1e Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Scott H. Haycock" haycockscott 1f Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Scott H. Haycock" haycockscott 1g Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Garth Groff" ggg9y 1h Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250 1i Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by riverman_vt 1j Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "Spen Kellogg" spenkellogg 1k Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish by "T.J. Stratton" michigancentralrr 2a Re: D&H open tops by riverman_vt 2b Re: D&H open tops by "Craig Zeni" sal3060 3 My Airbrush Cleaning Routine by lnbill 4 Branchline Freight Car Ends by "Nelson Moyer" ku0a Messages 1a Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147347;_ylc=X3oDMTJzOWJqNjc4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:41 am (PST) . Posted by: "Garth Groff" ggg9y <mailto:sarahsan@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> Greg, Some of us don't have a paint booth, and have to do our painting out on the patio, or by sable. Yes, I tried propellant cans, and they didn't work very well for me. I do have an airbrush somewhere. Used just once. Yours Aye, Garth Groff On 1/16/17 2:24 AM, tgregmrtn@...<mailto:tgregmrtn@...> [STMFC] wrote: Reply to sender <mailto:sarahsan@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147347;_ylc=X3oDMTJzMGRyY25mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147347> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5dG00bDJ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1b Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147348;_ylc=X3oDMTJzcnNsaWcwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:22 am (PST) . Posted by: "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom <mailto:b.hom@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> Greg Martin asked: "How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush? Show of hands..." Actually, I do if the color is available. I hate cleaning the airbrush. Ben Hom Reply to sender <mailto:b.hom@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147348;_ylc=X3oDMTJzc2c1ZXNtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147348> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5aTdiMHJxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1c Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147349;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZ2ZjZm5iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:30 am (PST) . Posted by: "Scott H. Haycock" haycockscott <mailto:shhaycock@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> So Garth, You've piqued my interest...how do you paint your freight cars? Scott Haycock ----- Original Message ----- Some of us don't have a paint booth, and have to do our painting out on the patio, or by sable. Yes, I tried propellant cans, and they didn't work very well for me. I do have an airbrush somewhere. Used just once. Yours Aye, Garth Groff Reply to sender <mailto:shhaycock@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147349;_ylc=X3oDMTJzcWNpbW44BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147349> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5M2h0aWJwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM0OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1d Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147350;_ylc=X3oDMTJzcGdnZHBiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:48 am (PST) . Posted by: "Garth Groff" ggg9y <mailto:sarahsan@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> Scott, Usually with spray cans on the patio. Now that Floquil sprays have disappeared, I'm stuck with various red oxide primers. I have a huge collection of cans of every brand I could find, each backed by a 3X5" styrene sample card kept in a file box. I make notes on these cards about what cars I've painted with them, and also how the paint performed. The paint is usually not as fine as Floquil, and I'm not happy. Due to ventilation and my sweetheart's asthma issues, I will never have an indoor paint booth. Does this get me kicked off STMFC for heresy? Yours Aye, Garth On 1/16/17 5:30 AM, 'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@...<mailto:shhaycock@...> [STMFC] wrote: So Garth,Reply to sender <mailto:sarahsan@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147350;_ylc=X3oDMTJzcDM5NGEwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147350> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5NDJwNWk5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1e Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147351;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYWhncTFrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:57 am (PST) . Posted by: "Scott H. Haycock" haycockscott <mailto:shhaycock@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> ms of Use Garth, Once I read my last post, I can see where its conciseness might appear confrontational. That was not my intention. I really am interested in your techniques. I suspect a lot of modelers either can't afford, or are intimidated by air brushes and paint booths, yet know that brush painting is near impossible to do well. That leaves spray cans. Any insights you may have would be educational, to say the least! Scott Haycock . Reply to sender <mailto:shhaycock@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147351;_ylc=X3oDMTJzdm9yN2wzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147351> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5NHFqaGpxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1f Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147352;_ylc=X3oDMTJzc2c0cHA5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:17 am (PST) . Posted by: "Scott H. Haycock" haycockscott <mailto:shhaycock@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> Garth, I have a spray booth, but don't want to knock a hole in a wall, etc. So I take it outside to use it. This sounds odd- Why don't I just spray in the open? The booths fan removes over spray, and protects the model from stray drafts. I live in New Mexico, and even in winter, we'll get days where I can do this outdoors. As to using spray cans, Google "Replacement spray can nozzles" You can get better nozzles that will produce a finer mist. Scott Haycock ----- Original Message ----- Scott, Usually with spray cans on the patio. Now that Floquil sprays have disappeared, I'm stuck with various red oxide primers. I have a huge collection of cans of every brand I could find, each backed by a 3X5" styrene sample card kept in a file box. I make notes on these cards about what cars I've painted with them, and also how the paint performed. The paint is usually not as fine as Floquil, and I'm not happy. Due to ventilation and my sweetheart's asthma issues, I will never have an indoor paint booth. Does this get me kicked off STMFC for heresy? Yours Aye, Garth Reply to sender <mailto:shhaycock@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147352;_ylc=X3oDMTJzNXNwYjRmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147352> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5cGRyZTl0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1g Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147353;_ylc=X3oDMTJzdWtmbmg2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:27 am (PST) . Posted by: "Garth Groff" ggg9y <mailto:sarahsan@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> Scott, No, I didn't think you were confrontational. But there's really not much to say. I just test the spray first to make sure it is shooting right before aiming it at a model. Then several light coats are blown with the can aimed just before the model, ending beyond the model on the other side. I usually let each coat dry a bit before going at the model again. Standard stuff. Sometimes it works well, other times not so good. Given the infamous clogging problems with Floquil cans, most of the primers shoot much better. Of course, weather is a factor. I can't do models when the temperature is below 55 degrees, and it's not easy when the wind is blowing. I also do a lot of brush work on structures and figures with craft store acrylic paints, including Plaid, Anita's, Americana and Folk Art brands. These are also good for wash-weathering on freight cars, or just dabbing with a 1/4" brush on underframes. Right now I'm using these acrylics and a 0000 brush on some O-scale figures for a future English narrow gauge layout. Next step, buttons, lips and eyeballs. I use a matte art acrylic spray as a sealer. Testors Dullcote or Pactra Flat were best, I can't find them anymore. Plaid Clear Acrylic Sealer from the art store works fairly well, except in high humidity when it sometimes dries milky. This explains my interest in the new Rustoleum product. Yours Aye, Garth On 1/16/17 5:57 AM, 'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@...<mailto:shhaycock@...> [STMFC] wrote: Reply to sender <mailto:sarahsan@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147353;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYmJ2ZGdoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147353> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5cmtsYnVoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1h Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147354;_ylc=X3oDMTJzMmZnb283BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:45 am (PST) . Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" cf5250 <mailto:timboconnor@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> Rolling stock, never. But I use them for other items. For example I like to spray laser cut wood (out of box, when it is still in a sheet) with MinWax clear coat (wood sealant). I guess if I ever build an Ambroid model, it will get the same treatment. :-) And I'll probably use them for large structures like truss bridges. Tim O'Connor How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's worldReply to sender <mailto:timboconnor@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147354;_ylc=X3oDMTJzY2RsbjdtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147354> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5bmRwcGZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1i Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147356;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZjJlbHJ1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:34 am (PST) . Posted by: riverman_vt <mailto:riverman_vt@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> Hi Greg, Paasche airbrush user since 1967.....50 years.....and cannot understand anyone using a spray can to paint with though I admit to it for Testors Dullcote on occasion. Cordially, Don Valentine Reply to sender <mailto:riverman_vt@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . 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Posted by: "Spen Kellogg" spenkellogg <mailto:spninetynine@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> On 1/16/2017 4:45 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@...<mailto:timboconnor@...> [STMFC] wrote: Tim, I had heard that one should avoid Minwax products because they had wax in them. Have you noticed this, or does the clear coat not have any wax in it? Spen Kellogg Reply to sender <mailto:spninetynine@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147359;_ylc=X3oDMTJza2RhOXJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147359> . All Messages (13) <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147341;_ylc=X3oDMTM5Ym9xMG12BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4BHRwY0lkAzE0NzM0MQ--> . Top ^ 1k Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/topics/147361;_ylc=X3oDMTJzb3A4ZmthBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM2MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4> Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:33 am (PST) . Posted by: "T.J. Stratton" michigancentralrr <mailto:michigancentralrr@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> I'm a Badger airbrush fan. I use their line of paints as well as Tru Color and Scalecoat II. I have a paint booth that vents to the outdoors thru a dryer vent in the block windows. While a rattle can sounds slick, I feel that the paint flow could be way be too heavy for painting of H.O. size rolling stock. I have painted a number of buildings with rattle cans with fine results. Regarding economic airbrush set ups, several years ago I purchased a small compressor and airbrush as a set from Harbor Freight, for about $75 as I recall. That kept me painting when recalled to active duty during Operation Iraqi Freedom. I only used Badger paint thru that rig but still, I have no complaints about the results. TJ Stratton Maumee, OH. "Modeling the 1950's branch lines of the Michigan Central Railroad in southern Michigan" Mailto:michigancentralrr@...<mailto:michigancentralrr@...?> ________________________________ From: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...> <STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>> on behalf of tgregmrtn@...<mailto:tgregmrtn@...> [STMFC] <STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 2:24 AM To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush? Show of hands... Greg Martin Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it. Norman Maclean In a message dated 1/15/2017 3:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...> writes: At yesterday's Great Train Show I talked with Joel Bragdon, the weathering powder entrepreneur, about base and finish coatings for use with chalks and powders. He mentioned that Rust-Oleum announced a new coating last March called "Dead Flat Clear" and that he likes the product. Here is a photo link: http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu I did a little searching and found that Home Depot and Lowe's both carry it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA Reply to sender <mailto:michigancentralrr@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20Rust-Oleum%20Dead%20Flat%20Clear%20Finish> . 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Posted by: riverman_vt <mailto:riverman_vt@...?subject=Re%3A%20D%26H%20open%20tops> ---In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, <williamdale75@...> wrote : I forgot to add this earlier for those who may be interested. The D&H also had their fleet of L.C.L air activated cement canister gondolas, originally 15950-15969, and then added 15900-15914. These appeared in the early 1940's and were red. To the best of my knowledge these never wore black. I have a photo of 15911, Oneonta 8-64 still wearing it's red paint. Now, Shortline Products makes a set of decals for the air cement canisters covering the D&H, NYC, DL&W, and LV. Bill Thank you Bill. This is all good information to have. I have three of Allan Seebachs (sp?) O&W Car Shops brass D&H hoppers in wo configurations and am pleased to have them though I usually prefer injection molded or resin for the freight car fleet. But when something like those hoppers comes along and is the only game in town short of scratchbuilding there is room for and exception or two. A fair amount of coal came into Vermont from the D&H branch into Rutland and a small amount over the "Slate Picker" branch that crisscrossed the VT-NY border. But it also came in via the D&H connections with both the Rutland and the Boston & Maine so the D&H hoppers could be seen almost anywhere in the state even if not as common hoppers of the B&O, which seem to be the most frequently seen in our era judging from thousands of photos seen over the years. Then, too, the Rutland used to transfer coal from off line hoppers to its own for delivery simply to cut down per diem charges. Other roads ay have done this too but it seemed to be a standard practice for years on the Rutland. Can you also suggest a source of black D&H decals for the gray covered hoppers used for cement? I hated taking cement samples from those cars in the summer of 1967 because when loaded the top of the load was a good 3 - 4 ft. below the open hatch and we had no scoop to reach it with for sampling. Thus one had to climb down on top of it. Not fun. Wait until the end of the work day and get a shower and a change of clothes as quickly as one could. Quite a bit of cement came into Vermont in those cars before the "Ft. Edward Express" took over the buik of cement delivery into Vermont. Now it all comes in air dump trailers from three points in Quebec. Cordially, Don Valentine Reply to sender <mailto:riverman_vt@...?subject=Re%3A%20D%26H%20open%20tops> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20D%26H%20open%20tops> . 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Re: D&H open topsThe O&WCS web site is almost invariably very out of date; I bought his last pair of Genesis F3s several years ago but they're still listed on the web site. Best to call and see what Al has on the shelf. As an O&W modeler I have some of those Seley cars on the shelf along with some of the little brass O&W drop bottom coal gons and his lovely O&W cabooses. I have a thing for the D&H's big Consolidations...but the O&W's rag tag fleet of second hand hoppers bought in various LOTS just makes it entertaining to model. That, along with the high percentage of bridge traffic on the lower part of the route makes it easy to scratch the freight car itch. After all, when the road never owned a 40' steel or wood box car...scratch away :) Craig Zeni Cary NC Reply to sender <mailto:clzeni@...?subject=Re%3A%20D%26H%20open%20tops> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20D%26H%20open%20tops> . 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With the advice of a plastic modeling magazine editor about 56 years ago, I purchased a Binks "Wren" airbrush and a small compressor with no way to control the PSI or know what it was. However the combo worked well with the paint of the day, in 1964 probably Patra or Testors, but definitely solvent based. I opened my bedroom window and sprayed into a cardboard box. I remember even then struggling to keep the airbrush clean. Some of my problems were from a lack of discipline to clean completely after each paint session. In 1992 when I began modeling freight cars I decided to go "water based Acrylics" only because they are not toxic, secondarily because of ease of cleanup, but by then I had learned to clean as I go. I have been pretty disciplined with this. BTW I Paint w/Badger's Modelflex paint The greatest assist in keeping my airbrushes clean is 91% Isopropyl Alcohol. My routine after painting is to initially flush with Distilled water, including back-flushing, and then spraying/flushing w/the Isopropyl. Then I pull the needle out and wipe it w/a paper towel wetted with Isopropyl to remove any paint buildup. That is all the "disassembly" I routinely do. Once the needle is back in place, I spray more Isopropyl and finish with more water. My cleaning station is a brown paper bag with crumpled paper to catch the water and Isopropyl. Bill Welch Reply to sender <mailto:fgexbill@...?subject=Re%3A%20My%20Airbrush%20Cleaning%20Routine> . Reply to group <mailto:STMFC@...?subject=Re%3A%20My%20Airbrush%20Cleaning%20Routine> . Reply via Web Post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/147357;_ylc=X3oDMTJzbXY1cXRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzM1NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDg0NTc3MjM4?act=reply&messageNum=147357> . 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