Re: PM XA 60123


Ray Breyer
 

Hi guys,

It's a Mather car; they did have a very few auto boxcars in their inventory. In fact, they may have only had 500 of these 36-footers: it looks like the Wabash had 500 of them in 1910, in the 19000-19499 series. They then drop off the Wabash roster and PM 60000-60299 show up. I've found this shot of the PM car and a series of five shots of Wabash 19290 taken in 1910, and the cars look identical.

The car itself is a typical all-wood Mather boxcar. Most of their circa 1895-1915 cars were built to this general standard: see the photo of Evansville & Indianapolis 6000 in Al Westerfield's ACF collection (lot 8272, built 11/1916), or the Library of Congress' photos of the SS Detroit car ferry for similar contemporary Mather stock cars.

(Mather also had some 40-foot, all-wood, "outside braced" auto boxcars built like this (yes, in this specific context, this is the correct terminology!): MC 15800-15999 and 950009-5199, and Wabash 19500-19749)
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: PM XA 60123



The ORERs say how long the cars were: 36-ft long. Most likely for Buick City in Flint.  Ford and others demanded larger cars with wider side doors.  Taller 40-ft cars were already becoming the norm for the industry.

Al Kresse
On March 3, 2017 at 8:03 PM "Howard R Garner cascaderail@... [STMFC]" wrote:

 
> I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
> box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg

They did not stick around very long.
Not in the Feb 1913 ORER
Jan 1915 (my next) they are there. series 60000-60299 36' 2272 cu ft,
60000cpy 186 cars
Still there Nov 1917
but gone by Oct 1919

Howard Garner

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