Re: ORERs


Eric Lombard
 

Well, as usual, I am late to the fray...
I offer here a full service abstract for combined UP 161000-161099, 161100-161199. I'll make no comment on what you'll find as you work through leaving it to you to decide if there is concordance and care in reporting dwindling cars available for service in the ORER.


I have compiled service abstracts for all UP box cars built 1901-1942 and all their subsequent rebuildings and renumberings: 319 series overall. Only a few have been abstracted in such detail as the following but the others could be. Those that have been done in this way are consistent in the concordance of counts in the ORER and events in their service as life recorded in UP records with a nod to the delays encumbered by accident reporting and the US Mail. For all of the series, the final retirement of the last 10 or so *has* been compiled to provide individual car road numbers that made it to the end. The concordance of this "dwindling" in the ORER and company records is consistent.


I should add that the P&R series histories compiled by John Hall at :
http://www.readingmodeler.com/index.php/articles/rolling-stock-reference/99-rolling-stock-reference-files/freight/214-reading-company-boxcars http://www.readingmodeler.com/index.php/articles/rolling-stock-reference/99-rolling-stock-reference-files/freight/214-reading-company-boxcars

provide the raw material to similarly construct ORER / RR Record service abstracts. I have done so for some of the P&R series with similar results to the UP exercise. There are other sets of company records available, as well.


A copy of the UP service abstract has been uploaded to the file section. It will preserve the formatting making reading much easier. Open as an ASCI text.


Enjoy




Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
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UP 161000-161099
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Origin and disposition of all cars in this series are accounted for in this service abstract.


Dates expressed as 19xx[0] (square brackets) are from Union Pacific records made available to us all by Don Strack at:
http://utahrails.net/up/equipment-record.php com


Dates expressed as 19xx(0) (parentheses) are from issues of the ORER.


Serial numbers ending in 000-099 are class A-50-14 (rivited underframe) 100-199 are class A-50-15 (welded underframe).


1937[5]-
1937[9] 100 161000-161099, A-50-14, BLT Omaha, NB.
1937(7) ... ORER lists series but without car count.
1938[4] 1 #161100 BLT Omaha, NB.
This is likely a sample car.
1938(4) 100 In combined 161000-161199. However, this count would
appear to be for 161000-161099, A-50-14 only.
1938[8]-
1938[9] 99 161101-161199, A-50-15, BLT Omaha, NB
1939(1) 200 In combined 161000-161199, A-50-14, A-50-15.
1939[1] 1 A-50-14 written off account accident on C&O, 11-25-38,
#161055.
1939(10) 199
1939[11] 1 A-50-14 set up XAP & RENO into 861000-861199 by
changing '1' to '8' in first digit of serial:
#861059.
1940(4) 198
1940[4]-
1940[5] 5 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 861000-861199 by
changing '1' to '8' in first digit of serial.
#861051, 063, 065, 075, 079.
1940(10) 193
1940[11] 1 A-50-15 RBLT IH = 11-6, set up XAP, and RENO into
661100-661199 by changing '1' to '6' in first digit of
serial:
#661176.
1941(1) 198
1941[4]-
194x 5 are leased to CCC&StL 161010-161179 and back by
1944[7].
1941[4] 192 93 A-50-14.
99 A-50-15, 54 programmed to be fitted up for airplane
wings.
1941[4]-
1941[5] 54 A-50-15 RBLT IH = 11-6, set up XAP, and RENO into
661100-661199 by changing '1' to '6' in first digit of
serial:
#661101, 102, 104, 106, 107, 108, 110, 111, 112, 117,
118, 119, 120, 121, 125, 126, 128, 130, 132, 138,
139, 142, 144, 150, 151, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157,
160, 162, 163, 164, 165, 168, 169, 170, 171, 175,
178, 181, 183, 185, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192,
196, 197, 198, 199.
1941[10] 1 A-50-14 written off account accident on GM&O, 6-24-41.
#161001.
1942[3] 4 A-50-15 RBLT to IH = 12-4 and RENO into
961134-961182 changing '1' to '9' in first digit of serial.
#961134, 158, 180, 182.
1942[3]-
1942[4] 6 A-50-15 RBLT to IH = 11-7 and RENO into
761100-761199 by changing '1' to '7' in first digit of
serial:
#761105, 116, 161, 167, 184, 195.
1942(4) 132
1942[6]-
1942[7] 17 A-50-15 RBLT to IH = 12-4 and RENO into
561100-561199 by changing '1' to '5' in first digit of
serial:
#561109, 114, 115, 122, 123, 129, 131, 135, 136, 137,
140, 141, 145, 166, 173, 186, 193.
1943(1) 111
1943[4] 8 A-50-15 RBLT to IH = 12-4 and RENO into
561100-561199 by changing '1' to '5' in first digit of
serial:
#561100, 103, 113, 143, 148, 152, 176, 177.
1943[4]-
1943[5] 11 A-50-14 RBLT to IH = 12-4 and RENO into
561000-561099, by changing '1' to '5' in first digit
of serial:
#561024, 025, 044, 047, 050, 062, 069, 071, 076, 087,
090.
1943(7) 92
1944[2] 5 A-50-14 RBLT to IH = 11-7 and RENO into
361000-361099, by changing '1' to '3' in first digit
of serial:
#361031, 040, 078, 096, 097.
1944{7} 87
1945(1) 87
1945(7) 87
1945[12] 18 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 844000-844199,
1st, by changing '161' to '844' in first three digits of
serial:
#844005, 008, 009, 010, 013, 016, 018, 020, 022, 028,
041, 057, 064, 068, 074, 077, 092, 099.
1946(1) 87
1946[6] 1 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 461000-461099 by
changing '1' to '4' in first digit of serial:
#461081.
1946(10) 68
1947[3] 1 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 861000-861099 by
changing '1' to '8' in first digit of serial:
#861007.
1947[1]-
1947[2] 21 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
761100-761199 by changing '7' to '1' in first digit of
serial:
#161104, 105, 106, 107, 116, 130, 139, 142, 153, 160,
161, 165, 167, 184, 190, 191, 192, 195, 196, 197, 199.
5 A-50-14 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
combined 361000-161199 by changing '3' to '1' in first
digit of serial:
#161031, 040, 078, 096, 097.
10 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
combined 361000-161199 by changing '3' to '1' in first
digit of serial:
#161101, 108, 110, 119, 120, 121, 168, 175, 178, 187.
1947[2]-
1947[3] 5 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
562000-562199 by changing '562' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161114, 115, 136, 145, 177.
1 A-50-14 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
565000-565199 by changing '565' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161076.
7 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
565000-565199 by changing '565' to '161' in first three
digits of serial;
#161131, 134, 137, 158, 166, 176, 180.
1947[2]-
1947[5] 16 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
261100-261199 by changing '2' to '1' in first digit of
serial:
#161117, 126, 132, 138, 144, 150, 151, 154, 155, 163,
164, 169, 170, 171, 183, 198.
1947[3]-
1947[4] 2 A-50-14 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
563000-563199 by changing '563' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161050, 087.
2 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
563000-563199 by changing '563' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161129, 186.
1947(7) 132
1947[7] 1 A-50-14 RENO back out of 461000-461099 by changing
'4' to '1' in first digit of serial:
#161081.
7 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
261100-261199 by changing '2' to '1' in first digit of
serial:
#161102, 111, 112, 125, 128, 162, 185.
1947[7] ORER: 58,083 North American box cars with IL >49-8. This
is only about 8% of national box car fleet at this time.
1948[1]-
1948[2] 1 A-50-14 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
562000-562199 by changing '562' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161062,
3 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
562000-562199 by changing '562' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161122, 135, 141.
3 A-50-14 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
563000-563199 by changing '563' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161025. 044, 069.
1 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
562000-562199 by changing '564' to '161' in first three
digits of serial:
#161113.
6 A-50-15 RBLT back to IH = 10-6 and RENO back out of
261100-261199 by changing '2' to '1' in first digit of
serial:
#161118, 156, 157, 181, 188, 189.
1948(4) 155
1948[12] 2 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 957000-957199,
by changing '161' to '957' in first three digits of serial:
#957014, 072.
6 A-50-15 set up XAP and RENO into 957000-957199,
by changing '161' to '957' in first three digits of serial:
#957116, 166, 168, 170, 174, 187.
1949(1) 155
1949[1]-
1949[3] 14 A-50-14 RENO into 851001-851199, by changing
'16' to '85' in first two digits of serial:
#851017, 019, 023, 027, 031, 033, 034, 038, 039, 043,
060, 076, 089, 096.
20 A-50-15 RENO into 851001-851199, by changing
'16' to '85' in first two digits of serial:
#851104, 105, 110, 114, 124, 128, 131, 132, 133, 135,
139, 150, 151, 171, 179, 186, 188, 195, 198, 199.
1949[4] It appears that the following cars are freshly RBLT to
IH = 12-4 despite other cars in these series having
been RBLT back to 10-6 as recently as 1-1948
(see above).
1 A-50-15 RBLT IH = 12-4 & RENO into 562000-562199 by
changing '161' to '562' in first three digits of serial:
#562149 (no prior rebuilding history for #161149).
1 A-50-15 RBLT IH = 12-4 & RENO into 563000-563199 by
changing '161' to '563' in first three digits of serial:
#363162 (RBLT IH = 11-6 in 1941, back to 10-6 1947).
1 A-50-15 at IH = 12-4 RENO into 564000-564199 by
changing '161' to '564' in first three digits of serial:
#564129 (RBLT IH = 12-4 in 1942, back to 10-6 1947).
1949[5]-
1949[6] 26 A-50-14 set up XME and RENO into 511000-511100 by
changing '16' to '51' in first two digits of serial:
#511000, 004, 015, 021, 025, 026, 029, 030, 035, 042,
046, 048, 050, 052, 069, 070, 073, 080, 081, 084,
086, 087, 088, 093, 095, 097.
28 A-50-15 set up XME and RENO into 511000-511100 by
changing '16' to '51' in first two digits of serial:
#511101, 106, 115, 118, 121, 125, 127, 130, 134, 137,
141, 142, 144, 146, 154, 155, 156, 160, 165, 167,
175, 176, 180, 181, 185, 190, 191, 192.
1949[6] 1 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 957000-957199,
by changing '161' to '957' in first three digits of serial:
#957082.
1 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 261000-261099 by
changing '1' to '2' in first digit of serial:
#261002.
5 A-50-14 set up XML and RENO into 501000-501199 by
changing '16' to '50' in first two digits of serial:
#501006, 011, 037, 061, 098.
8 A-50-15 set up XML and RENO into 501000-501199 by
changing '16' to '50' in first two digits of serial:
#501102, 112, 119, 157, 164, 183, 194 197.
1 A-50-15 retired:
#161134.
1949(7) 110
1949[9]-
1949[10] 5 A-50-15 set up XAP and RENO into 753000-753199 by
changing '161' to '753' in first three digits of serial:
#753126, 153, 159, 163, 189.
1950[1] 1 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 261000-261099 by
changing '1' to '2' in first digit of serial:
#261045.
1950[2]-
1950[3] 14 A-50-14 set up XML and RENO into 854000-854028
15 A-50-15 set up XML and RENO into 854000-854028:
#161003 RENO to #854006
#161012 RENO to #854001
#161036 RENO to #854007
#161049 RENO to #854017
#161053 RENO to #854005
#161054 RENO to #854020
#161056 RENO to #854000
#161058 RENO to #854002
#161062 RENO to #854004
#161066 RENO to #854024
#161078 RENO to #854026
#161083 RENO to #854021
#161085 RENO to #854016
#161094 RENO to #854003
#161107 RENO to #854023
#161111 RENO to #854025
#161113 RENO to #854018
#161117 RENO to #854008
#161120 RENO to #854015
#161122 RENO to #854027
#161138 RENO to #854014
#161147 RENO to #854009
#161158 RENO to #854010
#161161 RENO to #854011
#161169 RENO to #854019
#161172 RENO to #854012
#161178 RENO to #854022
#161184 RENO to #854028
#161196 RENO to #854013.
1950[4] 2 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 261000-261099 by
changing '1' to '2' in first digit of serial:
#261040, 091.
1950(4) 35
1950[9] 1 A-50-14 set up XAP and RENO into 957000-957199,
by changing '161' to '957' in first three digits of serial:
#957044.
1950(10) 4 ( #161032, 067, 108, 113: the first two are only serials not
RENO during service life of cars)
1951(10) 3 ( #161032, 067, 108)
1951[11]-
1952[1] 18 A-50-14 RENO out of 844000-844199, by changing
'844' to '161' in first three digits of serial:
#161005, 008, 009, 010, 013, 016, 018, 020, 022, 028,
041, 057, 064, 068, 074, 077, 092, 099.
6 A-50-15 RENO out of 844000-844199, by changing
'844' to '161' in first three digits of serial:
#161103, 123, 136, 145, 177, 193.
1952[1] 2 A-50-14 RENO back out of 957000-957199 by changing
'957' to'161' in first three digits of serial:
#161014, 044.
1952(4) 29 #161005, 008, 009, 010, 013, 014, 016, 018, 020, 022,
028, 032, 041, 044, 057, 064, 067, 068, 074, 077,
092. 099, 103, 108, 123, 136, 145, 177, 193.
1952[11]-
1952[12] 5 A-50-15 RENO back out of 753000-753199 by changing
'753' to '161' in first three digits of serial:
#161126, 153, 159, 163, 189.
1953(1) 29
1954[3]-
1954[4] 4 A-50-14 RENO back out of 261000-261099 by changing
'2' to '1' in first digit of serial:
#261002, 040, 045, 091.
1954(7) 38
1954[12] 1 A-50-14 RENO back out of 957000-957199 by changing
'957' to'161' in first three digits of serial:
#161082.
4 A-50-15 RENO back out of 957000-957199 by changing
'957' to'161' in first three digits of serial:
#161116, 168, 170, 174.
1955[1] 1 A-50-14 RENO back out of 861000-861099 by changing
'8' to '1' in first digit of serial:
#161007.
1955(4) 44
1955[4] 4 A-50-14 RENO out of 851001-851199, by changing
'85' to '16' in first two digits of serial:
#161033, 060, 089, 096.
5 A-50-15 RENO out of 851001-851199, by changing
'85' to '16' in first two digits of serial:
#161104, 151, 188, 198, 199.
1955(10) 53
1956(4) 53
1956[4] 1 A-50-14 RENO into 361000-361199, by changing '1'
to '3' in first digit of serial:
#161013,
1 A-50-14 retired to #0301.
1956[5] 1 A-50-15 RENO into 361000-361199, by changing '1'
to '3' in first digit of serial:
#161193,
1956(10) 49
1957(1) 49
1957[12] 1 A-50-14 RENO out of 844000-844009:
#161072 RENO from #844006.
1 A-50-15 RENO out of 844000-844009:
#161187 RENO from #844008.
1958(1) 49
1958[2] 1 A-50-15 RENO out of 844000-844009:
#161166 RENO from #844007.
1958[2] 1 A-50-14 RENO out of combined 361000-361199, by
changing '3' to '1' in first digit of serial:
#161013.
1 A-50-15 RENO out of combined 361000-361199, by
changing '3' to '1' in first digit of serial:
#161193.
1958[3] 1 A-50-15 RENO out of 851000-851199, 4th:
#161195 RENO from #161015.
1958[7]-
1858[11] 9 A-50-14 RENO out of 851000-851199 4th, to original
serials:
#161017 RENO from #851017
#161019 RENO from #851006
#161023 RENO from #851002
#161027 RENO from #851018
#161031 RENO from #851001
#161034 RENO from #851012
#161038 RENO from #851011
#161043 RENO from #851010
#161076 RENO from #851004.
14 A-50-15 RENO out of 851000-851199, 4th, to original
serials:
#161105 RENO from #851003
#161110 RENO from #851005
#161114 RENO from #851008
#161124 RENO from #851023
#161128 RENO from #851000
#161131 RENO from #851007
#161132 RENO from #851020
#161133 RENO from #851022
#161135 RENO from #851013
#161139 RENO from #851014
#161150 RENO from #851009
#161171 RENO from #851016
#161179 RENO from #851036.
#161186 RENO from #851021.
1959(4) 79
1959(10) 79
1960(4) 79
1960(10) 79
1961[3] 1 A-50-14, #161033, written off account fire at Seattle, WA,
10-9-1960.
1961(7) 78
1962(1) 78
1962[1]-
1962[3] 20 A-50-14 RBLT to wood chip gondola and RENO to
149400-149419:
#161002, 007, 008, 014, 019, 022, 023, 028, 031, 032,
040, 043, 044, 060, 068, 074, 076, 082, 091, 092.
1962[10] 1 A-50-15 retired:
#161151.
1963(1) 57
1963 12 A-50-14 retired:
#161009, 010, 013, 018, 027, 034, 041, 045, 064, 067,
089, 099.
18 A-50-15 retired:
#161114, 116, 123, 133, 135, 150, 153, 163, 166, 171.
174, 177, 186, 188, 189, 195, 198, 199.
1963[6] 1 A-50-15, #161179, written off account accident on ACL,
4-5-1961.
1964 3 A-50-14 retired:
#161020, 039, 077.
9 A-50-15 retired:
#161104, 124, 126, 128, 132, 139, 143, 168, 193.
1964(7) 21
1964[9]-
1965[3] 3 A-50-14 are among 84 A-50-14, A-50-15, out of several
series, RBLT to wood chip gondolas and RENO into
149541-149643 in 149420-149699 of mixed class
(A-50-12, -14, -15, -18) origin RBLT 1963[1]-1965[12].
#161017, 057, 096.
5 A-50-15 are among 84 A-50-14, A-50-15, out of several
series, RBLT to wood chip gondolas and RENO into
149541-149643 in 149420-149699 of mixed class
(A-50-12, -14, -15, -18) origin RBLT 1963[1]-1965[12].
#161103, 108, 110, 131, 136.
1965[1] 1 A-50-15, #161187 retired.
1965[2] 1 A-50-14, #161072 retired.
1965(7) 5
1965[8] 1 A-50-15, #161145 retired.
1966(1) 4
1967(1) 4
1967[7] 2 A-50-15 retired:
#161105, 125.
1968(1) 3
1968[6] 1 A-50-15, #161170 retired.
1969(1) 2 1 A-50-14, #161038
1 A-50-15, #161159.
1969[3] 1 A-50-14 #161037, RENO from #541112 out of
541000-541399. No end doors. Not originally out of
161000-161099.
1970(1) 3 As 161037-161159.
1970[3] 1 A-50-14, #161038, last original A-50-14 sold.
1970(7) 2 1 A-50-14, #161037, XM (no auto end doors)
1 A-50-15, #161159. XM.
1971(1) 2
1971[2] 1 A-50-14, #161037, sold.
1 A-50-15, #161159 last original A-50-15 sold.
1972(1) ... Not listed in ORER.








---In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <spottab@...> wrote :

I can only speak to the B&M, and only to an early era (teens to 1945). Every series that I have tabulated from the ORERs in my collection has declined in number in a systematic and even predictable way. This is especially true of the WUF cars that disappeared completely between the 1930 and 1935 registers that I own. I have no reason to believe that this does not represent a sincere effort to report the car counts as accurately as was reasonably possible (as per Tony's comment).


As for "company papers" that would tell a different story, if they ever existed for the B&M they are now at the bottom of some landfill in eastern MA (AFAIK). Mercifully, the B&M never renumbered their cars in the pre-WWII era or, if they did, this is easy to tease out of the registers.



Consequently, I find the ORERs to be a decent (at least) source of information to help understand fleet composition, and it's about all there is in this particular instance. I am particularly grateful for the sizeable number of these that have been scanned and made available at little or no cost.


Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 8:29 PM, "blindog blindog@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I should also like to point out that just because a group of older cars is listed in the ORER doesn't mean they actually in service. News reports from the late '50s indicated huge numbers of cars owned by the northeastern railroads were in dead storage, never to used in revenue service again. In 1958 one-quarter of the Pennsy's fleet was stored bad order. That's a lot of freight cars! So while sizable numbers of older classes were still listed in the Register, unless you model some old yard or nearly-abandoned branchline where all those miles of cars were stored, you probably don't need them.


Just sayin'....




Scott Chatfield

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