Re: Open Hopper Turned Covered Hopper?

Eric Hansmann

The RF&P October 1926 ORER listing includes two hopper series.


3401-3505 :: 100 cars with 1667 cubic capacity, 30-foot interior length, and 10-foot height to eave

3506-3590 :: 80 cars with 1880 cubic capacity, 30-foot, 6-inch interior length, and 10-foot, 10-inch height to eave


I suspect RF&P sand car 7006 from the photo on eBay was converted from a hopper in the 3401-3505 series. Note the angle of the center slope sheets is similar to that used on earlier hopper designs. Here's the link to RF&P 7006 again.


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN




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Upon magnification, the built date looks like 3-22. The heavy end sills are similar to pre-USRA hopper designs. The ladders remind me of a B&O hopper class.


Here's an RF&P hopper with more of a USRA look. You might need to copy the link into a WORD doc to make it complete.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On September 26, 2017 at 3:00 AM "Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Not apparently from our era. The reweigh date is 6-68. My 1958 ORER does not list this group of cars. At that time the RF&P owned 16 1700 cubic foot hoppers in series 3402-3501; 48 of 1880 cubic feet in series 3506-3555; and 30 of the same dimensions in series 3561-3590. The latter two series were USRA clones from the 1920s according to Richard Hendrickson.


The car in question seems to be one of the USRA clones. Though I can’t read all the small lettering, it does say the car is restricted to sand loading service (note the spillage under the car) with a return location of Dillwyn, Virginia. Dillwyn was at the end (literally) of the C&O Dillwyn subdivision (now the Buckingham Branch Railroad) where there was a sand loader owned by the Willis Sand Co., a division of the Kyanite Mining Corporation. The sand was a by-prodict from their kyanite mine on nearby Willis Mountain. The loader track at Dillwyn was often crowded with covered hoppers up into the 1980s, among them similar rebuilt RF&P covered hoppers of a different class. The loader and track are still there, though no longer in use.


Though I can’t say for certain, I believe RF&P 7006 was in company service (though going off-line) for carrying locomotive sand.


Yours Aye,



Garth Groff


On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:00 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:







This covered hopper appears to be a conversion from an open top hopper, especially considering the bays:







Does anyone know about the history of this or other (assumed) cars in the series?








Bob Chaparro


Hemet, CA







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