Re: Help needed with Sunshine Kits for B&O P-11 (30.10) & C&O 5400 Series Car with Deco ends,Creco Doors and Viking Roof (18.2)
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John Barry
Bruce, It was similar. The numbers of the top 300 North American Flat Car owners listed in the Jan 45 ORER were:
John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" To: "STMFC@..." Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Help needed with Sunshine Kits for B&O P-11 (30.10) & C&O 5400 Series Car with Deco ends,Creco Doors and Viking Roof (18.2) Jesus,
We've talked about these types of movements a few times. In general, if you are modeling any time past mid 1943, combined equipment and troop movements were very rare as the depot system had been established and training camps were equipped with vehicles
that remained there. Troops typically met their assigned equipment on the transport ship or in an overseas depot.
We've also talked extensively about the flat car fleet. Because these cars were in such demand, all routing requirements were canceled so they essentially acted as a national pool of cars. In 1951, the top US owners of flat cars were (this is close to
the WWII numbers):
SP 5448
CNW
3412
PRR
2952
MILW 2904
UP 2857
GN 2368
ATSF 2180
NP
1869
IC
1520
SOU 1474
NYC 1356
CBQ 1341
RI 1250
LN 1162
EJE 902
MP 794
ACL 738
SAL 581
SOO 548
SLSF 473
I would absolutely suggest adding the new Owl Mountain kit for some of those SP cars.
Also, please note that equipment needs to be assigned to appropriate capacity cars. For example, two M4 medium (Sherman) tanks would exceed the capacity of a 50 ton car and so you would expect to see those loads on a 70 ton car.
When thinking about joint movements, think about the number of men per vehicle versus the number per passenger car. For examples, a typical M4 medium crew was 5 men. So eight M4s would require 40 men, which was just about the capacity of one tourist sleeper
or troop sleeper (39) giving you a ratio of 4 flats of Shermans per passenger car.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... on behalf of Jesus Pena josiahrr@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 5:05 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Help needed with Sunshine Kits for B&O P-11 (30.10) & C&O 5400 Series Car with Deco ends,Creco Doors and Viking Roof (18.2) Paul, Your point is well taken, from my initial research I will need approximately 23 flat cars( along with 6 coaches and 3 box/baggage cars) I will be using many Proto 2000 ARA flats cars to represent other road names. The Proto kits are nice because they
are accurate and easy to assemble and they are also Available RTR. For ATSF prototypes of early WWII, Sunshine is the only game in town. Hence I try take good opportunity to acquire the Sunshine kits. But to your point I probably have enough ATSF Flat cars
to model the MAIN consist
Thanks for the helpful comments
Jesus
On Monday, October 16, 2017, 1:42 PM, 'Paul Koehler' koehlers@... [STMFC] wrote:
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