Re: class of this ATSF box car?


Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Eric,

I then suppose the car below is a former Fe-19. The class We-19 almost seems too easy. Photo taken in South Los Angeles, March 1975, complete with an insouciant pigeon on the roof (at extreme left).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿



On 5/9/18 8:24 PM, Eric Lombard wrote:
Tim and Charlie... and everyone else who might have an interest:

Observations and thoughts...
In my original response(s) I did not consider the the other classes because the physical features of the car indicated Fe-19 to me.
1. The cars get bigger with time:
  1. Fe-5 inside width 9-2, inside height 10-4
  2. Fe-12 inside width 9-3, inside height 10-5
  3. Fe-15 inside width 9-5, inside height 10-5
  4. Fe-19 inside width 9-5, inside height 10-6
2. Some physical details change with time:
  1. Fe-5: at the corners the end plates wrap around and are riveted to the side plates as is seen in early steel cars, the ends of the body bolsters (or bolster extensions?) appear as an I-beam, the side sill reinforcement is confined to little more than the width of the door opening
  2. Fe-12: Photo needed!! 
  3. Fe-15: at the corners the end and side plates are covered by an angle riveted to both, the ends of the body bolsters appear as an I-beam, the side sill reinforcement is confined to little more than the width of the door opening.
  4. Fe-19: at the corners the end and side plates are covered by an angle riveted to both, the ends of the body bolsters are covered by a large channel "tab", the side sill reinforcement extends a side panel width beyond the outer edge of the main door (though I have seen one photo of an early member of the series with the short reinforcement).
The features of the car in question is identical to #4, a Fe-19 as is the car nee #5792 in the Arizona Ry Museum. 

The end features of the cars are apparently NOT class specific - at least that anyone has been able to determine. Rather mixes of "reverse" Dreadnaught and reverse Murphy panels and blank sheets are used in all classes (and in 50-6 cars being rebuilt at the same time). In both cases the two ends of the car may be different.

Some of the cars were renumbered:
Fe-05  63000-63254 RENO 4400-4648  begin 1956
Fe-12  63651-63750 RENO 5100-5199  begin 1953
Fe-15  63255-63504 19 RENO 6360-6378 1943, IH 12-4, end doors, airplane, RENO back 1945-6 to original height
20 RENO 6670-6689  1944, XAP airplane parts, RENO back 1945-6
All remaining cars with end doors  RENO to 6700-6723  1949
Fe-19  5200-5599  5 RENO to 6550-6554? 1957 but off roster 1-1958

Photos of Fe-12s in original or renumbered series are probably rare. There were only 100. None of the usual on-line sites have one, nor any publication I have examined. If someone out there has one I would love to have a peak at it!

Thanks entertaining my thoughts on this!

Eric


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