Re: Why Transfer cabooses?
No, taking a cut of cars to the interchange did not include the interchange of the caboose just the cars. What ever caboose the delivering RR used would return with the crew and locomotive.
Paul C. Koehler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Why Transfer cabooses?
Aha! (I was the original poster).
It seems that railroads would want to use their oldest cabooses for transfer service, if possible.
But if bobber (4-wheel) cabooses were outlawed in interchange (and Transfer service IS interchange, is it not?), then they couldn’t use their old 4-wheelers.
So it became logical to convert box cars, etc. for transfer use.
Did I understand that correctly?
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My speculation about 4 wheel cabooses is that most, if not all, had wooden underframes and that was the reason for declaring them unsafe not the fact they they were on 4 instead of 8 wheels. It was in the 1920s, 1927 comes to mind, that wooden underframes were banned from interchange but that wouldn't have affected cars that were never went off line such as cabooses, 4 or 8 wheel, and work equipment. I remember from my youth, late 40s, early 50s in Philadelphia, of catching very occasional glimpses of 4 a wheel class ND somewhere on the Pennsy while going somewhere with my parents. That said, the Pennsy NDs seemed to have had steel underframes. There are still a number of them in various states of preservation in museums. Also, in the 1980s TTX had several thousand 4 wheel piggyback cars built after the prototypes were successfully tested at the AAR facility in Pueblo. Tony Wagner
On Monday, May 21, 2018 8:50 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I believe Ohio passed legislation in 1914 banning the use of 4-wheel cabooses.
From what I’ve seen over the years, any bans on these older cabooses were a state matter and did not stem from ICC/AAR/ARA/MCB actions.
1912 in New York , 1929 in Pennsylvania .
The passage of the law did not immediately end their use, as they persisted in subsidiary service and on some short lines well into the 1950s. Possibly their last regular use on any railroad was on the Maryland & Pennsylvania in the early 1970s.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
Hi Dennis and List Members,
Thank you Dennis for your well thought out and complete treatment on the topic.
Dennis wrote: “But four wheel cabooses were fund to be unsafe, and were outlawed sometime in the twenties”
This is the first I have heard of four wheel cabooses being outlawed – can anyone confirm this?
On 5/20/2018 7:26 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote: