Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

maynard stowe

I’ve always wondered why railroads used Camer levers rather than the bent steel rod with seems simpler and was ultimately the most common.  The bent rod as a style goes back at last ago the turn of the century.
Maynard Stowe

On Aug 14, 2018, at 6:46 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Here's an end view of the Hocking Valley hopper on the Barriger site. Click on the image to review a larger size.

And an end view of the C&O car.

And, to make it all complete, a side view of the C&O car, but the air hose attachment point is obscured. But the Carmer hardware can be easily seen.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On August 13, 2018 at 9:26 PM Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Bruce, looking at the HV car, note that the bracket is mounted on one of the vertical channels on the end of the car.  I think that the horizontal flat is bent upwards and secured into the flat of the channel.  The two legs of the angle thus created are joined by the diagonal strap.  Shouldn’t be too tough to make, and with the vertical leg fastened into the interior of the channel it should be quite sturdy.


It’s NOT fastened to the very narrow end sill of the car.


You can’t zoom in to get the detail because the C&OHS would like you to buy a print, which will be exceedingly detailed.  I’ll forgo my usual rant about actually supporting RR Historical Websites by PAYING for the sharp image.  It’s not all available for free, you know.




From: <> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper


Dennis, Folks,


There are a couple of images at the C&O HS site, although they unfortunately become very pixelated with any zoom applied … and it isn’t clear to me how to get a decent image.  Go to and enter 28972 or 28786 in the Number search box. 

Or, take a look at this image of the original Hocking Valley car from the Barriger. The support for the air hose appears to be unchanged in the rebuilt cars.

These photos show what appears to be a flat (horizontal) strap that is undermounted on the end of the car with a short vertical segment, combined with a diagonal metal strap from the top of the bracket to a few inches up the end brace.  


Among the challenges for the model will be fastening that part to the very narrow endsill of the car. Drilling that part is possible, since I added DA sill steps, but it will be a challenge and then the pin on the part will be the only thing holding the whole hot mess together. I may try to provide the brake pipe back to the bolster to add some additional bracing. The good news is that the HiTech brake hoses are very light, and do not transmit any force back to the attachment point of the bracket, but regardless, this bracket is looking like a scratch building project.




Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."


On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:

With that decided, now I have to figure out how to model the air hose bracket on the end of the car ;)

Photo? If it's the cast style the Zamac part Kadee makes should be pretty close. If a bent strap, the PSC part I did the pattern for (I forget what number they gave it) is almost universal.
Brake Hose Brackets
PSC Part


Dennis Storzek





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