Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)

Hi Tim, Armand, and List Members,
The photo link provided by Tim is an image of mine that I uploaded to my Flickr account some time ago. It shows the factory painted (black) plastic N scale model that has been available in the past.
I myself have only ever seen one image of the prototype D&H Seley hoppers in black paint, that image can be found at the link below, the car was in a yard scene on a calendar photo...
I am not a D&H expert in any way, but always thought these were painted some kind of red shade for most of their lives.
An image showing the factory painted black car compared with with my custom painted and lettered red car can be found below...
I also have another image showing a weathered car...
Claus Schlund

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Seley hoppers

Color?I believe I saw an item that they were painted red for a brief period.Can anyone confirm this ?Mine are all black.Armand Premo

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:12 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Found this on Flickr by searching for "Seley hopper"

On 2/27/2019 11:29 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
The Post War Freight Car Fleet book has photos of D&H Hoppers on Pages 135, but of cars 6851-11600. The notes state that C A Seley designed cars like this for the D&H in 1901.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎43‎:‎42‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:

Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

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