Tim and Armand,
A very useful categorization, at least if all of us used it. It
needs to be expanded, and available somewhere in our archives.
Van Dorn ends?
How about adding the Canadian NSCE ends?
Are the NTE ends the ones applied to experimental light-weight
boxcars built in the late 1930s? There were two versions of these
ends, one by Pullman with fat wales that ended short of the car
end edges, and another very rare end by AC&F which had thinner
wales that went all the way to the car end edges. See MODEL
RAILROADING June 1987.
What is meant by the
"alternate" on the R+3/4 IDE and R+3/4 TDE ends? Could this be
better defined?
Could we have an addendum classing the various auto car end door
designs?
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
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On 8/26/2019 9:47 AM, Armand Premo
wrote:
Unusual ends?How about the C&O 5400s with the
"Deco ends.Armand Premo
lol - and a third candidate term! I started with Ed
Hawkins' nomenclature
where he assigned a specific code to each type of end.
In my opinion that's
really the only solution - a kind of scientific notation
for freight car ends.
I expanded on Ed's and I keep them on file as my own
reference
5/5/5 MUR Murphy end
7/7 MUR Murphy end
3/3/3 DN dreadnaught (some early auto cars)
4 DN dreadnaught (gondolas)
4/4 DN dreadnaught
4/5 DN dreadnaught
5/5 DN dreadnaught
4/4 DART "dartnot" or ACF Car Builder end
(1950-1954)
4/4 IDE "rolling pin"
4/4 IDE-2 "rolling pin" w/ short top rib
3/4 IDE "rolling pin" w/ extra narrow top rib
3/4 IDE-2 "rolling pin" w/ no extra narrow top
rib
R-3/4 IDE "rolling pin" w/ rectangular top rib
(postwar to 1954)
R+3/4 IDE - alternate
R-3/4 TDE "tapered rib" w/ rectangular top rib
(1955 and onwards)
R+3/4 TDE - alternate
4/4 TDE "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
3/3/3 TDE "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
x/x PSE Pullman Standard end
x NTE Non Terminating End
-r modifier indicates rivet seams
-w modifier indicates welded seams
... IV.. "inverse" pattern (mirror image)
... RV.. "reverse" pattern (inside out)
On 8/25/2019 3:02 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.
I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.
Tony Thompson
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
