Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD


I know next to nothing about the prototype other than from what I saw from the other side of a hurricane fence. It was on an industrial property siding. Greg and I both saw it at different times. It looked almost exactly like the large-dome Tichy car, with maybe slightly rounder tank heads, and did have AB brakes. From what I remember, it had painted out UTLX lettering. I had taken a photo, but it was destroyed along with most of my photo/slide collection in a flood in 1995.

Elden Gatwood

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From: [] On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Hi Elden,

I'd like very much to know more about that tank car you and Greg saw in LA and its history. I have three of those Tichy 4020 tank car kits that have been sitting on a shelf for some time now. I'd be great for any prototype identification or other info you might be able to provide - maybe even a photo?


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

To add;

I think we also take for gospel the belief that another's opinion is more than that; it is gospel. Ehhhh, not so much. I was told many, many things as gospel, on PRR freight cars, while I was doing the research, that turned out to be untrue. There are still people I know who swear by stories or "facts", that are not factual.

NO ONE knows the entire picture on freight cars. NO ONE. There were certainly more tank cars produced than anyone knows of, for which no photos exist, and variations were rife. I continue to find photos of cars I have never seen before (see attached). No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of. And I've had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these. Really? Then what are we looking at in this pic?
And what is that car attached to 507? "It didn't exist".

And, both Greg and I saw that tank car in SoCentral LA that was the living embodiment of the large-dome Tichy car, and I stand by its use because I saw it. And it IS a great freight car kit, too!

Elden Gatwood

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From: [] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:00 PM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

And Overland was working in a time period when we were ALL learning about the incredible diversity of freight cars, led by modelers like Hendrickson and Nehrich and many others who sparked the whole RPM movement. So naturally Overland (and the other importers) made a lot of "mistakes" (I can think of some real howlers from Precision Scale) and often didn't reveal very much about the prototypes for their models (if indeed there was one). It was an 'era' of the model industry, and that time has passed at least for hand made brass models.

I take it with a grain of salt. An interesting looking, well made brass tank car that is realistically (if not "accurately") painted and lettered is always welcome in a train of mine... Many people hate Tichy tank cars because they're not right.
I love them because they are among the finest examples of styrene freight car kit design.

Tim O'Connor

On 11/4/2019 6:47 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection. Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them. They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car. The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car. I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car. Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car. Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the Overland car. Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short. This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models
that they produced. I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase
of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.
Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme
with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie

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From: Tony Thompson <>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: <>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment,
and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the
design of this car.

You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was
less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to
OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at.
I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for

Tony Thompson <>

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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