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Hi Elden and List Members,
Elden wrote: "No one has ever done the research on
the CISX fleet, I know of. And I've had people tell me their fleet did not
contain cars like these. Really? Then what are we looking at in this
Perhaps I'm the only one who does not know
what corporate entity the reporting marks CISX correspond to, or perhaps not.
I'll take a stupid wild-a** guess - since the image Elden referenced is on the
Union Railroad, meaning the Pittsburgh PA area, is it Carnegie Illinois Steel
Thanks in advance
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Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:34
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re:
[RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
I think we also
take for gospel the belief that another's opinion is more than that; it
is gospel. Ehhhh, not so much. I was told many, many things as gospel,
on PRR freight cars, while I was doing the research, that turned out to be
untrue. There are still people I know who swear by stories or "facts",
that are not factual.
NO ONE knows the entire picture on freight
cars. NO ONE. There were certainly more tank cars produced than
anyone knows of, for which no photos exist, and variations were rife. I
continue to find photos of cars I have never seen before (see attached).
No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of. And I've
had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these.
Really? Then what are we looking at in this pic? And what is that
car attached to 507? "It didn't exist".
And, both Greg and I saw
that tank car in SoCentral LA that was the living embodiment of the large-dome
Tichy car, and I stand by its use because I saw it. And it IS a great
freight car kit, too!
[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
November 5, 2019 1:00 PM
[Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank
And Overland was working in a time period when we were ALL
learning about the incredible diversity of freight cars, led by modelers like
Hendrickson and Nehrich and many others who sparked the whole RPM movement. So
naturally Overland (and the other importers) made a lot of "mistakes" (I can
think of some real howlers from Precision Scale) and often didn't reveal very
much about the prototypes for their models (if indeed there was one). It was
an 'era' of the model industry, and that time has passed at least for hand
made brass models.
I take it with a grain of salt. An interesting
looking, well made brass tank car that is realistically (if not "accurately")
painted and lettered is always welcome in a train of mine... Many people hate
Tichy tank cars because they're not right.
I love them because they are
among the finest examples of styrene freight car kit design.
On 11/4/2019 6:47 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE
Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of
which I am proud to have in my collection. Some of their tank cars gave
me reason to question them. They produced a three dome model which years
ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several
years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car. The Tangent car
looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car. I found some
drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland
I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a
rather large platform on each end of the car. Searched and searched but
none found a prototype photo of this car. Again Mainline modeler had a
drawing that exactly matched the
Overland car. Possibly Overland used
this drawing in producing the car.
My only other disappointment was
a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short. This car was
replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.
disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they
produced. I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an
Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.
Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme
with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.
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Thompson <tony@...> <mailto:tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Bruce Smith wrote:
I was quoting the man… I can
find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s
comments that he was not involved in the design of this
You are right that Richard had
nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually
came from OMI.
At one point he pulled out
his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars,
and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his
connection as at least a source of info for OMI.