Re: Standard Steel Drawing List
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Thank you for this work, Bob!
And sharing your reality. From my view of the world you have there, I find what you have presented very helpful. Using this list, I have targeted another candidate for drawings and I readily found many of those you and Steve Hile recently extricated for me. I can see how what you have done will help find sources quicker. I also know from past experience that not everything is readily obvious as you dig deeper for details so some back-and-forth with the customer will likely always be a part of the search process.
You have an incredible resource and I believe the list you have established will be helpful for future searches.
Now, if only Pressed Steel Car drawings were so accessible.
Regards from Grove City in western Penna. Mike Schleigh
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 09:31:41 AM EST, Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:
Oh man, when I show this to the crew on Wednesday, are we going to have some fun!
I appreciate where you're coming from, and what you've done, but. Simple answer. NO! or HELL NO if you prefer.
Look, 12 drawings - or 100 or 1000 does not an expert make. The list shown is a very minute subset. Your dozen drawings is an even smaller subset. We have a very clear idea how SSC drawings are organized - and it's not as you describe. They are most certainly arranged in a manner similar to Pullman (dep[ending on exactly WHICH drawing naming convention is in use). The standard Pullman-Standard variant is Drawer-Size-Sequence. (e.g. 501-E-21) (later the size indicated by the leading number, with a sequential number). SSC drawings are organized by drawer (which includes size) and sequence. Very similar. IF you have the data on the tubes. We do not. They are simply labeled by drawing range, and if we are lucky, year. NOT by size. We have been entering drawer, so were that needed, we can locate it. It is not in the caption information.
Please note that the caption (which is that second column) is only a part of the metadata captured. We also put in a category, notes, author (which is drawer in this case), keywords and other data. Why isn't that on the list? Because that aspect of the database does not transport, and given the list - as is - took over 2 hours to create and clean up, I didn't put any of that in it.
Standardization. Yes...a good idea, sort of. The problem is, in your limited access to them, you have missed about 15 variants of "arrangement" and many of "general". And, you are under the assumption, 1 person is entering the data, they are well versed on the subject, and that the SSC data block were standard. They were not.
This list is here because it is a VERY minor subset of the drawings scanned. It represents less than 2% of drawings scanned. We scanned over 300 drawings Wednesday. Standard Motor Truck, Middleton Car, Pullman, Pullman-Standard. All have VERY different data blocks and order info blocks.
What you ask is great - if it were even necessary. It is not. Just take Eric's database. done. Doesn't have enough information? Ask Eric to provide you with a spreadsheet with all the information in it and, when you come to volunteer, add to it. The reason we add the caption is not to find things the way you think we might, but we find drawings based on information supplied by the customer and/or Eric's list. Combined, that's usually enough to find the drawing. IF we have it.
As I said - we work 1 6 hour shift (Nominally) per week. That shift must include scanning, annotation, conserving, document processing, drawing processing, customer fulfillment, photo & negative processing, maintenance work, taking out the garbage (to the dumpster 2 miles away), preparing for the upcoming move of the 2 million drawings, the photos, negs, film, movies, slides, aperture cards, documents, reports, etc. Now...you want to look - on screen - as we process 300 + drawings - for all of the information you desire. Why?
Look...I am prepared to leave as curator within a few years. We have an opening for a volunteer. Just come out on every Wednesday (we don't accept excuses like storms delaying us - we come rain, sleet, snow, sun, etc. limo or no) from now till then, learn the collections, learn the processes, help with the move, etc. - and then take over as curator. It sounds as though you're qualified. Come on in. But...be prepared, it is, as the MASH doctors told Charles it's "meatball surgery". Our job is to get drawings to customers, internally and externally. And conserve what we can. That may mean anything from moving 15 cabinets full of donated maps one day, or simply cleaning the Library on another. Who knows what fun might happen!?! But by all means, contribute and you might find that you can not add all that data. You may want to. But there is no reason to reinvent the wheel.
At 06:46 PM 1/23/2020, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io wrote: