Re: D&H Flat


It appears to me that the D&H car is just a car with a shorter deck. If you had the F38, just modify deck by shortening it.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 11:20:54 AM EST, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:


I’m no D&H expert. I was referring to the ECW HO plastic KIT (what was being discussed), not any prototype. We are NOT discussing the D&H #16153, a more conventional 4-truck 8-axle car. 

The 4-truck HO model ECW produced was offered as BOTH a PRR F38 and a D&H car. I suspect they were the same, except for the length of the main deck.

Their part no.4700 is the D&H model,  a 12-axle 4-truck car. I have no idea if it even has a prototype, D&H or other, but it exists as a model.

I have a Railworks PRR F38 and the ECW 4-truck flat. They are virtually identical except for the deck-length and end platforms. Hey both have 12 axles and four trucks.

Here, copied off an eBay listing are photos of BOTH versions.

Dan MItchell

On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Um Dan,

Nope. D&H #16153 bears almost no resemblance to the PRR F38. The D&H car has 4 trucks, true, but they are 2-axle and not 3-axle. The body is welded, true, but the D&H body is full-length, with no end platforms. The D&H car is broadly similar to the PRR F34 but is not the same as that car either. 

So, let's review...

D&H 16153 (no known kit)

PRR F34 (Athearn, Bachmann, F&C) - 187.5 ton capacity (later increased to 200 tons), 8 axle flat

ECW kit #4700 - PRR F38 - 250 ton 12 axle heavy duty flat

ECW kit 4800 - 90 ton depressed center flat car

As you can see, these are three VERY different cars. The D&H car bears NO resemblance to the PRR F38 other than being multi-trucked with span bolsters. On close examination of the D&H car, it appears to be similar to but a bit longer and without the obvious cast body flange of the pre WWII era GSC car (PRR F34, CNW, SP, etc...).

Bottom line, unless there is physical evidence to the existence of an ECW model of this D&H flat car, I'm going to remain skeptical that such a thing ever existed.

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 9:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat
The two cars are very similar, but not identical. Both have four 3-axle Buckeye trucks mounted on span bolsters. The PRR F38 has a main deck that extends almost the full-length of the car, with minimal exposed decks on the span bolsters. The D&H version has a shorter main deck, and much larger end platforms (“porches”) on the span bolsters.

The Eastern car works part number for the D&H car was 4700.

Dan Mitchell

On Feb 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, rdgbuff56 via Groups.Io <rdgbuff56@...> wrote:

Aren't the two cars identical? When first released the ECW car was advertised as a D&H car.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. 
On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 09:18:51 AM EST, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote: 

I'm with Tom on this...

I could be wrong, but ECW produced two heavy duty flat cars that I am aware of, the Commonwealth 90 ton depressed center car (NYC, NH, etc...) series 4800 kits and the 4 truck PRR F38 (series 4700 kits).

I searched with multiple terms and while the extremely hard to find F38 came up multiple times and the 90 ton depressed center car dominated, I could find no evidence on-line of an ECW kit for the subject car.

Both Athearn and Bachmann have produced the car in question in HO, albeit somewhat grossly misshapen.

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: <> on behalf of rdgbuff56 via Groups.Io <rdgbuff56@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 1:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat
Yes.  16??? Series.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 6:51:28 AM UTC, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 03:58 PM, rdgbuff56 wrote:
Eastern Car Works had this kit available some years ago.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Eastern Car Works made a 90 ton two truck depressed center flat car. Did they also make the 250 ton four truck one the O.P. was asking about?

Tom Madden

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