Re: High and Wide ops was D&H Flat

Mont Switzer

Well, the MONON did it differently, according to retired Monon engineer Ron Marquardt. 


Not wanting over dimensional loads to languish the MONON placed them  on the head end of local freight trains.  Instructions were to pass through close clearances at “walking speed only.”  The walking speed was for the head man who had to hit the ground at every close clearance and walk the car through, in full view of the engineer, ready to drop a washout signal if a collision was eminent.


The MONON regularly moved gun turrets on USAX (later DODX) flat cars especially fitted for this work from Louisville, KY to the Erie in northern, IN for movement east in this manner.  I’ve also head of water craft being moved between the Ohio River to the Great Lakes in the same manner.  I’m sure there were other moves.


The local crew had to set the over dimensional load out at each location where they performed switching duties and dutifully place it behind the rider car when they were ready to leave town.  I model the gun turret move and a “boat load” is on my list.




Montford L. Switzer


From: <> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:10 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] High and Wide ops was D&H Flat




Precisely!  While large loads could be moved in regular freights, "high and wide" loads often required special handling and therefore were often accumulated and moved in a single train. On the stretch of the PRR I model, the Columbia and Port Deposit branch, from Perryville MD, through Columbia PA and on to Enola, this H&W train was typically run on Sunday morning. That makes sense as it was the lightest traffic day of the week, and therefore the low speed and occasional stops to check clearance wouldn't mess up the rest of the railroad. There was also a spot at "Midway siding" where the tracks were set farther apart, to allow H&W trains to pass each other. i plan too accumulate a train of H&W loads and then run it once every 10-14 ops sessions.




Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: <> on behalf of Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat


Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?


Dan Mitchell

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