Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

John Barry


As you've heard, it depends . . .

But I can add two seemingly unusual sand shipments into Richmond California circa 1942.  In one, actually a large steady stream of cars, ATSF received locomotive sand on the Richmond Sand House trestle in SP GS gondolas.  You normally think of company material arriving in home road equipment. But the closest source was in Monterey on the SP. Monterey Sand Sources 

A few photos of the SP gons at the ATSF sand house in Richmond:

The other is Foundry Sand from upstate New York.  Coal to Newcastle you ask?  No, WWII had just cut off coastal shipping and a Richmond foundry had been getting a very specific sand for their molds from a source in New York, shipped in bulk.  When they found their transportation line cut, they turned to the railroads, only to object to the comparatively high cost of rail haulage.  They filed a rate case with the ICC and lost. 


John Barry
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 12:56:28 PM EDT, reporterllc via <reporterllc@...> wrote:

What kind of car was used? I am referring to bulk sand from a pit that ships out sand and gravel. Perhaps this sand would not be that specialized. Wouldn't it need to be protected from the weather? On a side note, In the early 1970s (long after covered hoppers became popular) I remember a tower operator referring to an ancient gondola in a consist loaded with sand. I did not see it and wondered if it was covered.

Victor A. Baird

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