Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - 1940 era

Steve and Barb Hile

The January 1954 edition of the ORER lists 150 cars in the series 441000-441499  with 67 having extreme outside width of 10’7” while the remainder were 11’.  All have 6 foot door openings.


Steve Hile


From: [] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - 1940 era


In case anyone else is building one of the F&C kit no.6650 models and wonders what decals are appropriate, I eventually made a breakthrough this evening.  I have not exhausted possible CV prototypes, but haven’t found one yet either.  But in the GTW fleet, I found a photo of a car that has approximately the same characteristics: GTW441304, of the  441311- 441499.  Ian Cranstone’s roster information says these were converted from the x583702-584701 series in 1940.   The entry reads: “ x583702-584701 series /40, 441311-441499 ret.? /41, some re#586500-586999 series? /46-/47.”  


The 583702 series were described as series 2 cars in Stafford Swaine’s article in Railmodel Journal Feb 2001 titled “Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits”.  They originally had the end doors and a 10’ 6” side door opening.   The conversion to the 441311 series shows the side doors reduced to 6’, (not the 7’ called out and modelled in the F&C kit).   So this isn’t a perfect fit with the model, but since I have it 90% complete, I have to land on something.  


I’m not entirely sure what “ret.? /41" means.  The 441311 series lasted though to 1970.


Cars in the 586500-586999 series conversions of 1946/47 were identified ins Swaine’s article as conversions from series 1, 2 and 3 cars, and shown as still having 12’ side doors.  


I also found a photo of 465142 which, to my eye, may have a 7’ door.   But in the roster info Ian Cranstone has listed, the series is shown as 6’ doors.    Other photos from that series have no end doors.  So its a bit of a mixed bag.












Stl. frame. x581000-581999 series /33-/34 (465186-465249 vacant?).


I have more work to do sorting this model’s prototype out, but I’m leaning toward doing a model of a car in the 441311 series and assume there were 7’ doors in that group.


Not ideal prototype modelling with a resin kit!!



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