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From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford

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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 4:51 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Eric and List Members,

 

Thanks Eric for the interesting links.

 

How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?

 

Claus Schlund

 

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From: Eric Hansmann

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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

 

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