Re: Kadee early PS-1

Schuyler Larrabee

If I follow your numbers correctly, I’d suggest that the railroad rebuilt the cars from 6’ doors to 8’ doors.




From: <> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee early PS-1


Very interesting Gary!

The 1950 ORER shows 262040-262055 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1953 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (16 cars)
The 1955 ORER shows 262040-262059 with 8 foot doors. (20 cars)

And then!

The 1959 ORER shows 262050-262055 with 6 foot doors! Whole series now is now 10, 6, 4 (20 cars)
with 14 cars with 8 foot doors, and 6 with 6 foot doors. Also listed this way in 1963.

THEORY - Could a wreck have destroyed some cars? Or were cars swapped? The cars are from three
different orders built at different dates.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/3/2021 12:34 PM, Gary Bechdol wrote:

According to Southern Railroad boxcar diagrams, Southern (CNO&TP) car numbers 262050 - 262055 had 6 ft. doors. 


Gary Bechdol 

Stone Mountain, Ga 


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:17 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


?? Southern (CNO&TP) 262053 had 8 foot doors. Did Kadee make a mistake??

I see that Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet may also be mistaken. The 1953 ORER shows the
series as 262040 to 262059 for a total of 20 cars with 8 foot doors. Ed does not list the
262040 to 262049 cars.

Built in 1948, so it may have had an early PS-1 underframe.

Tim O'Connor

On 3/2/2021 4:00 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:



I bought their Southern 262053, part number 4324. It lacks the five little stiffeners under the running board, there are no ribs on the outermost roof panels, and the ends are riveted. These are all features seen on most early PS-1s. The lettering matches a photo I have from an RMJ article. The main thing I question is the black running board, which I think is Ajax. Some of the very early PS-1s had AAR underframes, but Kadee included a PS-1 underframe. I don't know which cars had which. For some reason, I don't have Ed Hawkins' roster in my collection any more to check on these things. Must track that down on the Trainlife data base.


I know there have been a few mistakes on some Kadee cars (no Morton running boards until recently, for example), though they do try very hard to be accurate. I am very satisfied.


Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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