On Jun 19, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:

I’m not aware of a series of Canadian Pacific “9 panel” cars with Z bracing (other than the WWII era war emergency cars (adapted from the 1937 design).  As far as I have seen, they were all similar to the USRA cars, with hat profile braces.  They were modestly heavier (2100 lbs), which I believe was attributable to the framing etc of the bottom opening grain doors located on the car floor in line with each side door.

Rob,

Was this directed at my message? You asked about USRA cars with other than 5/5/5 ends, and I directed you to some "clones", clones being USRA design body framing, built after the USRA ceased to exist. Who said anything about zed bars?

Dennis Storzek