Re: Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

Steve and Barb Hile

Oh how we miss Bill Welch and his FGE research.  I certainly hope those whom he entrusted his files to will complete the challenge and publish his opus.


We can begin to sift some things.  The series 10850 -10999 exists in ORER’s as early as 1938 and is stable at 140 cars through 1944 and then begins to diminish to 131 by 1953.  These are listed as all steel cars.  (there is a table of FGEX all steel reefers in Bill’s wood reefer article shared in several on-line historical/modeling magazines.


So, I would agree with Richard that the sides are three riveted panels that are also riveted to some vertical members.  With the three panel ends, I am drawn to some sort of rebuild situation, perhaps from boxcars and they intended to do 150 and only 140 were actually done.


There is more information out there to be found.


Steve Hile


From: [] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)


I'm going to stick with my original view. I enlarged the photo considerably and I see a line below each of the horizontal rivet rows that seems to be the bottom of the steel sheet. The vertical lines of rivets secure the side sheets to the internal framing structure of the car. On a riveted-side car these would be present regardless of the orientation of the side sheets. What I don't see are any vertical seams that would indicate seams between vertical side sheets.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR


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From: David Soderblom <david.soderblom@...>
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Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2021 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 10883 (Circa 1948-1952)

I don’t think those are horizontal sheets, just horizontal lines.  Note the vertical rows of rivets, and the lack of an edge horizontally that would be there if they were horizontal sheets.



David Soderblom

Baltimore MD



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD

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