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They were all
stenciled return empty to Buffalo. But so what? Under AAR rules
be treated like other XM box cars. There's nothing in the ORER
that indicates the cars enjoyed
some special exemption from the usual rules. Of course if the
alternative is to return a car a long
distance as an empty, there's an incentive to find a load for it
in the general direction of its home
road - but that incentive would apply to anyone's car in that
There must be more to the story though. Buffalo Creek began buying
new box cars over a short
period of time in the 1950's - from having no cars at all, to
having almost 2,000! What happened
that led this small terminal railroad to do that?
On 11/10/2021 6:19 PM, Brian Carlson
via groups.io wrote:
Except many were stenciled for flour service only and return to
Buffalo. We’re they used for other cargo’s, yes. Car service rule
zero, protect the shipper.
Also, what’s forgotten is these cars and their DL&W and
LV cousins did go out west often due to integrated vertical
manufacturing processes. Lots of flour milled in Buffalo was
sent for further processing/use along. I have lists of photos in
Texas at a sunshine bakery.
I have a lot of data on flour/grain moves in and out of
Buffalo but haven’t figured out a good way to present it that
would be interesting.
. The Buffalo Creek box
cars were XM. They could be loaded by ANY railroad in Michigan,
Indiana, Ohio, Eastern Canada, West Virginia,
Virginia, Maryland, Delaware. Pennsylvania, New Jersey,
New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New
Hampshire, Maine, or Rhode Island
XM type of cargo and from there be sent to ANY
destination in North America - under standard AAR
car loading rules.
Where is Tim Gilbert when we need him?? Weren't you guys
paying attention during the YEARS of
discussions we had about car loading rules and why
everyone's box cars went practically everywhere?
More generally, BCK box cars were a small percentage of the
North American box car fleet, so they
were most likely infrequent visitors to western Canada or
California or Texas - But they undoubtedly
did end up in those places sometimes.
Here is a ~1960 photo of BCK 2997 in Oakland, California.
On 11/9/2021 10:56 PM, Jim
Bud and friend:
The Buffalo mills produced a variety of proprietary
flours, mixes and feeds. For a western Canadian
customer, a Buffalo Creek boxcar will do.
Insulated boxcars protect ladings from temperature
extremes. Many are cold but few are frozen. Jars and
canned goods cannot be allowed to freeze, so that might be
a lading for an insulated boxcar.. If western Canadian
grocers want Mott's apple sauce from New York, an NYRB
boxcar will do.
Canada has always been largely self-sufficient with
pre-NAFTA tariff barriers to maintain it that way. Yet
there are many occasions when only an American product
will suffice and distinctive US railroad cars make their
<bck_2997 40ft_SD_box ACF-1956 shopdate 3-60
OaklandCA circa 1960.jpg>
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.