Re: Buffalo Creek boxes to Canada?

Tim O'Connor

Bob, the rules are based on the idea of "home districts". The BCK belonged to district 16 which includes
New York and Pennsylvania. The rule is that if a car belongs to a railroad in District X, and the car is now
in District X, or is in any ADJACENT District Y, then - no matter which railroad it is on at the moment - it
can be sent as a load from X or Y to any other destination on any other railroad.

So an empty BCK box car in Texas for example would NOT be loaded in Texas to go to California, but it could
be loaded to go to New Jersey or Virginia or Maine - yet none of those destinations is "home" to the BCK.
In Maine, it could be loaded with clothes pins and sent directly to California - without violating any rules!
This is why freight cars famously could travel around for months or even years and never reach home rails.

Tim O'Connor

On 11/10/2021 6:44 PM, Robert G P wrote:

Pardon my ignorance on the matter, but why are those specific states highlighted? I was under the impression that any interchange XM car in the continental U.S could be loaded and shipped anywhere. 

- Bob

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 6:20 PM Brian Carlson via <> wrote:
Except many were stenciled for flour service only and return to Buffalo. We’re they used for other cargo’s, yes. Car service rule zero, protect the shipper. 

Also, what’s forgotten is these cars and their DL&W and LV cousins did go out west often due to integrated vertical manufacturing processes. Lots of flour milled in Buffalo was sent for further processing/use along. I have lists of photos in Texas at a sunshine bakery. 

I have a lot of data on flour/grain moves in and out of Buffalo but haven’t figured out a good way to present it that would be interesting.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 10, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

AHEM. The Buffalo Creek box cars were XM. They could be loaded by ANY railroad in Michigan,
Indiana, Ohio, Eastern Canada, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware. Pennsylvania, New Jersey,
New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, or Rhode Island with any
XM type of cargo and from there be sent to ANY destination in North America - under standard AAR
car loading rules.

Where is Tim Gilbert when we need him?? Weren't you guys paying attention during the YEARS of
discussions we had about car loading rules and why everyone's box cars went practically everywhere?

More generally, BCK box cars were a small percentage of the North American box car fleet, so they
were most likely infrequent visitors to western Canada or California or Texas - But they undoubtedly
did end up in those places sometimes.

Here is a ~1960 photo of BCK 2997 in Oakland, California.

Tim O'Connor

On 11/9/2021 10:56 PM, Jim Mischke wrote:

Bud and friend:

The Buffalo mills produced a variety of proprietary flours, mixes and feeds.   For a western Canadian customer, a Buffalo Creek boxcar will do.

Insulated boxcars protect ladings from temperature extremes.   Many are cold but few are frozen.   Jars and canned goods cannot be allowed to freeze, so that might be a lading for an insulated boxcar..  If western Canadian grocers want Mott's apple sauce from New York, an NYRB boxcar will do.

Canada has always been largely self-sufficient with pre-NAFTA tariff barriers to maintain it that way.  Yet there are many occasions when only an American product will suffice and distinctive US railroad cars make their way north.

Tim O'Connor

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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