Re: Pacific Fruit Express - Express Refrigerator Cars

Charlie Vlk

Anybody notice that the PFE express reefer has the Lionel MPC weird trucks!
Charlie VLK

On Oct 25, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Steve and all

I increasingly suspect that we're looking at a film photography artifact (color shift) in that one photo. It happens.
No other color photo of SP express reefers I've seen make the lettering appear to be orange.

On 10/21/2022 7:41 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

I don’t really have a horse in this race, but I wanted to see several versions of PFE express reefers together and discovered this color shot of a wooden car in fresh paint.  The gold lettering looks pretty good on this one.


Could the paint shop have been fresh out of Dulux Gold when they needed to letter the repainted steel cars??


Steve Hile


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No, Tony just pointed out that there are documents stating that the lettering was Dulux Gold.  That's like saying someone has clear title just because the deed has been notarized.

The lettering color on PFE 949 looks to be almost exactly the same as the patched PFE / Daylight orange on the refer next to it.  Maybe "color shift" on just the left half of the photo?  Maybe the wood refer was painted Dulux Gold? (no and no).

If the PFE express refer lettering color was the same Dulux Gold which was indeed used on SP passenger cars, where are color photos of SP olive passenger cars with lettering that looks as orange as the express refer lettering seen in two photos?  In every SP olive passenger car color photo I've seen the lettering looks like Dulux Gold, a light yellow-brown, or tan.

Rob Simpson


Obviously digital scans can render an image poorly, but screen calibration to a standard color palette
is important as well. To say nothing of our individual color acuity or lack of it. Tony pointed out that the
lettering was Dulux Gold applied over dark olive and in bright noon sunlight looked slightly orange. Made
sense to me. :-) Sometime in the 1950's 'Dulux Gold' (a Dupont color) began to look like less like
"Imitation Gold" (AP #22) and shifted to Light Imitation Gold (AP #60 or TCP #89).


Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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