Red Caboose still brings in decorated kits and they go
in the neighborhood of $10.00 less than their
assembled counterparts.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA.

--- wmcclark1980 <walterclark@...> wrote:

Gene (and everyone else, of course)-

Not just cover the cost of production. The car
manufacturers need
something more for overhead and something above that
for profit.
After all, they aren't operating under a socialist
system where
"someone" decides whether or not a product is
produced and, if so, how
much profit the "money-grubbing" capitalist gets to
keep his employees
paid (him, too). Yes, I still want kits, and would
like for
undecorated to be at least an option on the kits.
I'm wondering what
the comparison for a fully completed (painted and
lettered) car vs. a
kit with the various parts for the options plus
instructions, in a box
or a bag would be? Remember, someone has to
inventory all the various
parts and sprues, plus instructions and other
documentation, to make
sure the kit buyer gets everything that's supposed
to be in the box or
bag.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene Green"
<willibecher@j...> wrote:

Has anyone actually said they want kits because

the kits are cheaper?

It seems the reasons given on this forum have had

more to do with the

fun of building kits and pride in accomplishment.

Some (me) want the

flexibility to make changes which are easier if

one begins with a kit.

I'd appreciate it if the various manufacturers

would look at

providing kits but pricing them to actually cover

their costs,

whatever those costs may be.

In these days of Alps and similar printers there

are many excellent

decal manufacturers so I guess only undec kits

would be OK. I would

be willing to pay more for a kit than RTR if that

is what it takes to

get the kits. I'd rather not pay more but ... .

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Rich Ramik

<rjramik@o...> wrote:

Marty:

I wouldn't. I do not have the knowledge to do a

"buck and wing"

kit build

nor do I have the resources available either.

Besides, there are

some out

there, novices at least, that have less

experience and knowledge

than I do.

Aren't these the people we want to attract to

this segment of the

hobby

(let's not start a holy war)?

As for my 2-cents, please include the grabs,

piping, ladders,

appropriate

ends, roof walks, etc. I would hate to spend

the money on a kit

and not

have the essential items required to build it.

If in essence this

drives up

the price of a undecorated kit, I wouldn't have

a problem with it.

I

believe the same would hold true for a semi-kit.

By that I mean a

decorated

kit with the appropriate parts for other

versions or upgrades as

required.

If this too raises the price of a kit, not a

problem.

Trucks would always be appreciated; at least the

most common trucks

for the

basic kit. If I would have to replace the

trucks at a later date,

so be it.

As for couplers, that is a truly personal item

and I don't think it

should

be part of the kit. I'm a Kadee guy, while

others are McHenry and

still

others are Accumate. I don't think you would

want to include this

variety -

makes no sense.

My idea of building a kit is study the

instructions (hint) and any

other

written material to select the correct prototype

from the available

parts;

construct the basic kit; paint and decal if

required; weather; add

final

details supplied (hint). Now a person has a

model that they can be

proud

of - an I did it!

For what its worth,
Rich Ramik



-----Original Message-----
From: Marty McGuirk [mailto:mac@i...]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: SFRD Reefers


Laurance,

Thank you for your comments.

I do have one question though. Would you still

buy the "bare

bones" kit

if I told you the price would be no different

from a kit in a box

with

a more formal set of instructions?

Marty


On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 08:53 AM,

lrkdbn wrote:

> Hello Mr. Mc Guirk
>
> Just would like to say I think you're

taking the right tack

on the

> kit vs. RTR issue. I am glad to know that

the Intermountain line

> is available as kits, even if there is some

degree of waiting

time

> involved. I also think the idea of a bare

bones kit is an

excellent

> one. Why not just the plastic parts and an

exploded diagram in a

> plastic bag? I'd gladly buy them that way!
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Laurance King
> <lrkdbn@a...>
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