Re: Gun Flats

Paul Kattner

I host the Iowainterurbansandstreetrailways mailing list. I will ask
there and see if anyone has information on what type of deck the
gun-flat has on it. In all my years of looking at it, I never noted
whether or not it had a wooden deck......

Kicking myself.....

Paul Kattner

--- In, Bob Johnson <bobjohnson@a...> wrote:

The photo of MC&CL #104 sure looks like a PRR 30' flat car. The
of the side sills is right, as are the number and spacing of the
pockets. The trucks also appear to be PRR Class 2E1F1, although the
angled view makes it a little hard to tell.

These trucks were removed from the cars by 1930. However, they were
probably put into MW service, perhaps as spares in wreck trains.
1937 date may well be correct, but not for an F23. From diagrams
side view builders' photos, it looks like the F23 body rode lower on
trucks than did the F22. The lower edge of the F23 side sill comes
close to the top of the arch bar trucks. There's a noticeable gap
between the bottom of the F22 side sill and the top of the truck.
photo of MC&CL #104 shows a gap typical of an F22. Perhaps Byron
check the detail drawings of these cars to confirm this difference
between F22 and F23.

While all the F23 cars remained in service on the PRR into 1952,
F22 cars were dropped from the roster in the late 1930's. Many cars
that vintage were sold to railroad equipment dealers who resold them
short lines. The Pennsy probably wouldn't have sold the
cast steel trucks and substituted the old original arch bar trucks
instead - perfectly usable for MW service.

It would be interesting to check a few things to confirm that MC&CL
is a PRR car. The castings should have PRR and a pattern number
(typically beginning with a V) in raised characters. Is the arch
truck wheelbase 5'-7" (which I think is a relatively unusual size)?
What is the height from the rail head to the top surface of the
If it's an F23, this dimension should be 3'-4 7/8". If the car
all the other checks and this dimension is a couple of inches
than 3'-4 7/8", then it is probably a former PRR F22 that somehow
got a
steel floor. Does the steel floor look like a real steel floor with
multitude of rivets, or does it look like a slab of steel put on for
weight and/or to replace a rotted-out wooden floor?

As you say, a lot of questions, indeed.

Bob Johnson

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