Chet and Jerry,
Thank you very much for the information. Do either of
you have a diagram of this car you could share. It
would be interesting to look at a possible kitbash.
--- Chet French <cfrench@...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "Jerry" <jrs060@m...>
the "West Coast
Well Mike your not going to get any help from
Brain Trust" on this one. What your arediscribing here is the
IC rebuild of it's USRA composite gondola carsdone at Centralia
shops in I believe 1948. They were 2 bay, andbecause of the
rebuilding, low in stature height, and longer inlength than a
normal 2 bay off-set side hopper. It was simplyan easy fix of
a hole lot of old worn-out gondola cars. Onemust remember the
environment this was done in after the war, asthay would say
in RAILWAY AGE magazine, "To build or torebuild".
I can personal remember many IC coal trains inthe mid 1950's,
and out of a 100 car drag to the BRC in Chicago,10 or so
would always be the rebuilds. They were quitprevalent in the
late 40's, through the late 50's.Mike and Jerry,
The cars in question were built, or more correctly
twin hoppers by the IC from former gondolas
numbered in the 90000-
93970 series, (original numbers 214750-218749). The
first group was
converted in 1945 and numbered 75000-76999. The
second group were
converted in 1946 and 1947 and numbered 77000-78965.
Photos of these
cars show original built dates of 1924 and 25.
Quite a few of these
cars were still in service in 1960 when I hired out
on the IC, but
they rapidly disappeared within the next few years
By 1962, the IC
was using their number series on new 11'-10" height
being built that year.
The cars had an inside length of 41'-3", and the
hoppers were 16'-2"
apart at the bottom of the openings. Their 9'-7"
height made them
stand out in a train of IC hoppers, most of which
were 10'-8" in
height. I have not looked into the way to model
these cars, but I
have been promoted them to a familiar resin car
pattern maker for a
--- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide
Looking through some books recently, a few
IC hoppers have stuck out. They have ribbedsides with
a short flat panel above. On one car the upperpanel
looked to have stampings at a regular interval. They
look very similar to the rebuilt PRR H22a cokecars (a
la Bowser), that is low hoppers with an extendedside.
In an IC book I was looking at they were veryare
prevailant. The two numbers I was able to see
77036 and 75373. The hopper bottoms are inshadow in
all cases so I don't know how many bays theyare.
Even with the sides extended their height isabout a
foot lower than the typical offset-side IC twinhow to
hoppers. Does anyone know about these cars and
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