Re: ex-PRR cars on Rutland or GMRR? also cars on the OERM
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Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Phil;
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That is very interesting info. Yes, the Andrews seem to have been replaced, often with PRR 2D-F8 trucks, when they got rebuilt, but truck swaps after that were even common. I have never seen anything that resembles a serial or VIN number on a PRR freight car, just the car numbers on the exterior, and one on the underframe (perhaps in case the two were separated for a rebuild and they wanted to keep track of the underframe for accounting purposes), but your idea makes more sense. I have seen parts numbers stamped into just about everything. If the other one with the diagonal roof is an X26C, then that would make it one of the last 500 rebuilds. We also don't know if it may have been one of the X26C that were further rebuilt in the mid-60's into an X26F. Since the X26Cs were hitting the 40-year rule, some portion of the fleet was supposedly re-underframed to allow them to continue in service. I don't know what the details of this swap out were, though. And I say supposedly with good reason. The PRR rebuilds sometimes didn't seem to include parts that you would have thought would have had to have been changed. Crown trucks are one example. How those trucks ended up escaping replacement when they outlawed Andrews-style trucks is beyond me! And they ended up on "rebuilds" like the new G36 class gons? Let us know if you find anything more out! Thanks, Elden Gatwood
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From: buchwaldfam [mailto:duff@...] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:46 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: ex-PRR cars on Rutland or GMRR? also cars on the OERM Elden, The two cars sitting in Middlebury have rectangular panel roofs. The trucks are solid bearing types, however they are not the original Andrews trucks... understandable since they ran in the 70's. One car has been painted white with red roof and ends. The other is in brown primer on one side and both ends, while the other side is still in GMRR green with the words, "Terry's Pullman" neatly stenciled next to the door. Both cars are "stock", with no MOW modifications, etc. I looked all over for enough paint to get a car number, but had no luck. I even went back there in early evening and tried to see if I could catch a shadow of the original numbers under the top coat of paint, but they must have done a thorough job when they repainted them. Is there some sort of equivalent to an automobile "VIN" tag that the PRR would have attached to the cars? Serial number stampings in the sheet metal somewhere? Could a serial number on the old USRA underframe be tied to a PRR number? I did see numerals stamped on various pieces here and there, but they didn't mean anything to me. I haven't seen the car that is down in Rutland, but would like to get down there if I get a weekend off. The photo shows a diagonal panel roof, definitely in GMRR paint, but like I wrote before, you can't make out a car number. Best Regards, Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...> wrote: Phil;once. photos of these cars, so we get the details right. While we know some ofwhat roof went with what cars, specifics about any of them areespecially useful in doing these cars up right for the magazine.some images, we could particularly use:
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