Re: P&LE gons
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Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Larry;
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Are those photos of 13116 and 41500 commercially available? I have never seen one equipped with grabs, and that opens up an interesting question; why the change? Are there any special features on those particular gons? What series' did you offer in P&LE paint? Did you ever do the later scheme with black paint and NYC-style lettering, or was it just the brown ones and the green PC/P&LE car? Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Larry Grubb Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:23 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] P&LE gons All, I have a builder's photo of P&LE 41500 (12/40) and an in-service shot (Date unknown) of P&LE 13116 with grabirons, not ladders.I also have a builder's photo of P&LE 40000 (5/45) with ladders. Larry Grubb "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@...> wrote: Jerry and all; I believe every photo I have ever seen of an NYC system Greenville-type gon (incl all those P&LE ones) had ladders on the sides instead of grabs. The P&LE 2000-2999, 8000-8499, 9000-10499, 10500-10999, 11000-11499, 12000-12999, 13000-13999, 16000-16499, 41000-41999 series had steel floors. I am sorry that I cannot tell you which ones had nailable steel flooring, but the majority did not, as the majority of steel floors were riveted sheet. 40000-40999, 43000-43999 had wood flooring; perhaps LifeLike's rationale for having their cars numbered in those series? The steel flooring was somewhat unique looking, so creating this car would be best with photos. I am sorry I can't be definitive about all the details, as I do not have my P&LE gon book at hand. There are a lot of neat variations within this fleet. The coil cars alone would make a major modeling project. I remember noting that many drop end gons had their ends fixed later on, and had jury-rigged ladders added to the ends. There were also coke container gons, and many other specialty gons, created within this big fleet. They went all over the country... Does anyone know a good source for decals covering the late (50's) lettering scheme? Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of jerryglow2 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:09 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] P&LE gons In a recent discussion concerning P&LE Greenville design gons, someone pointed out that they had ladders instead of grabs. A pic http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/gon/ple2411.html shows this on a 2000 series car. Do the 40000 series gons (which P2K are lettered) have this feature also? Jerry Glow Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Yahoo! Groups Links |
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