Hello Jace,

Thanks for the brake component information. While digging around
the NEB&W website, it appears that D&H hoppers were painted "freight
car red" until sometime in the early 1940s, when they were painted
black.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Kahn" <harumd@h...> wrote:

Some time ago, in an article on prototype operation, there was a

great shot

of a yard (C&NW?) in an issue of MM, and there was a nice sharp

view of a

D&H panelside hopper, which inspired me to letter up one of my

ancient

RailCraft panelsides for that prototype (and through this list I

later

discovered that the RC cars at 34' are correct only for Wabash/Ann

Arbor,

and the D&H were 30'). I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but

someone else

may be able to interpret my recollection to be able to use the

periodical

index.
As Doug pointed out, the scan you reference shows the brake

rigging along

the centersill, but older twin hoppers did indeed have an airline

hung under

the side between the bolsters on brackets.
Although there may have been exceptions, the commonest placement

of the

triple (or AB) valve in a hopper was on top of the centersill,

under the

slope sheet--i.e, between the cylinder and reservoir, generally

facing the

reservoir, with the piping from the cyinder angled around the far

end to

enter the fittings facing the reservoir.
So far as I know, the D&H hoppers were always black, at least

since WWI, but

I cannot claim to be as knowledgeable as many on the list.
So far as door latches, I think that depended on what manufacturer

produced

them; without being able to access various reference sources,

Enterprise and

Wine and Superior come to mind as all having different systems,

and I think

(again not claiming much expertise) that some were double-sided,

some

latched only on one side.
I'll let those who really know what they are talking about take

over from

here.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

What you see in the photo is the brake rod running between the

two brake

levers connected to the trucks and to the brake lever under the b

end

slope sheet. The USRA hoppers had the air line running just below

the

side sheets on the right side of the car, the side away from the

brake

wheel.

Doug Brown

I'm working on a model of the Delaware & Hudson rebuilt panel-side
USRA hoppers, and I have some questions regarding certain details.
These cars, rebuilt around 1938, were in the number series 3221-
4200. There is only one photo that I am aware of, and it is in the
pay side of the NEB&W website. For those who subscribe, it can be
found at:

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/D&H/D&H-blister-panel-
USRA.jpg

My questions are:

1. When looking at the B-end of the car, the brake cylinder is on
the left, and the air tank is on the right. Where should the

triple

valve be located, and should it face to one side of the car, or to
the back?

2. Should each hopper have a door lock? Unfortunately, I don't

know

what kind of locks the prototype had.

3. When viewing the car from the side, should there be a brake

line

running between the hopper be visible? (as, for example, this B&O
car:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo347988as.jpg )

4. What color would these hoppers have been painted? What is a

good

paint match, preferably water based?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:00:52 -0400
From: "John Riddell" <jriddell@i...>
Subject: Re: Canadian open hoppers in USA

Max Carey wrote -

Thanks for the information. For the reasons you gave, a Canadian
open hopper in the USA must have been a rarity. I can't imagine

what

kinds of freight would have moved from Canada to the USA in open
hoppers.


Max,

Iron ore is one example. Unit trains of open hoppers carried iron

ore from

northern Ontario to steel mills near Pittsburgh.
These unit trains consisted of hundreds of CN, Ontario Northland

and Canada

Southern open triple hoppers. But this was after the period of

this group,

from 1965 to 1971 .

Another example - in the west during the steam era, CP open top

coal gons

carried coal accross the border from the many large coal mines in

the Crows

Nest Pass of the Rockies.

In 1950, CN imported from the US 1.5 million tons of bituminous

coal while

CP imported 1.6 million tons. This was imported from PA and Ohio

into

southern Ontario and Manitoba. The further west and east regions

of Canada

were both self-suffient with coal reserves.

Hope this helps.
John Riddell

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:42:33 -0400
From: "Fred in Vt." <pennsy@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car

Dick,

Thanks for the unhappy news, guess that's what you get

for not

going to the LHS every month!
Now I'll have to haul over to NY to the last 2 shops in the 50

mile zone.

All the donations to Mr Cook's retirement over the

past 8 years

was money well spent, no complaints. Surprises me that they WANT

to

resettle above 45 deg. No. Lat.; it's cold enough at this end of

the state!

Must be more modelers in the Burlington & Essex Jct. area. I wish

them

well.

Fred Freitas
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Dermody
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: McKean 40' PS-1 combo door box car


> Bill,
>
> Garth is correct about Caboose Corner; Bob Cook keeps a

large

supply of
> kitbasher / scratch builder parts on hand. He will ship

anywhere, try

> 802-463-4575, Wed thru Sun, noon till 8:00pm.
> I'm always adding to his retirement fund !!!
>
> Fred Freitas / Pres
> New England Capter/ PRRT&HS
> Bennington, Vt.

Fred,

Too late.

Caboose Corner has been sold. They had a final sale that ended

July 3rd

and
are scheduled to close on the property tomorrow, July 13th.

John (not Bob) and Sally will be moving to the Northeast

Kingdom, where

they'll build a new home. Rutland caboose 36 will be going

with them.

Sorry you missed the final sale - John would have welcomed

your

additions to
his retirement fund, especially now that he's really retired

(for the

moment, anyway).

Dick



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