Thanks for the door lock information. The D&H panel side hoppers
had Wine door locks, instead of the Enterprise locks they were built
with. With the locks being connected by a channel, would unlocking
one side also unlock the other?
--- In STMFC@..., "Doug Brown" <brown194@t...> wrote:
Wine locks were on both sides, right next to the doors. They
the end of the transverse angle or channel connecting the two
doors as a
unit. An example is the locks on Bowser's H21 and H22 quad
Enterprise locks had a transverse shaft under the slope sheet on
side, which was rotated to operate a mechanism between the hoppers.
Accurail's USRA hopper has just the outside end of the shaft. P2K
emergency hopper instructions illustrate this very well.
Most hopper air lines hang below the right side between the
Some railroads ran their airlines between the hoppers under the
sill. PRR had only two classes, GLD (USRA) and H31 ( ,A,B&C), with
lines outside under the side. Some modern cars have an air line on
sides, the train line on the right side and the pipe to the A end
truck-mounted brake cylinder on the left.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: D&H Panelside Twin Hoppers
Some time ago, in an article on prototype operation, there was a
of a yard (C&NW?) in an issue of MM, and there was a nice sharp
D&H panelside hopper, which inspired me to letter up one of my
RailCraft panelsides for that prototype (and through this list I
discovered that the RC cars at 34' are correct only for Wabash/Ann
and the D&H were 30'). I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but
may be able to interpret my recollection to be able to use the
As Doug pointed out, the scan you reference shows the brake rigging
the centersill, but older twin hoppers did indeed have an airline
the side between the bolsters on brackets.
Although there may have been exceptions, the commonest placement
triple (or AB) valve in a hopper was on top of the centersill,
slope sheet--i.e, between the cylinder and reservoir, generally
reservoir, with the piping from the cyinder angled around the far
enter the fittings facing the reservoir.
So far as I know, the D&H hoppers were always black, at least
I cannot claim to be as knowledgeable as many on the list.
So far as door latches, I think that depended on what manufacturer
them; without being able to access various reference sources,
Wine and Superior come to mind as all having different systems,
(again not claiming much expertise) that some were double-sided,
latched only on one side.
I'll let those who really know what they are talking about take
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.
What you see in the photo is the brake rod running between the twobrake
levers connected to the trucks and to the brake lever under the b
slope sheet. The USRA hoppers had the air line running just below
side sheets on the right side of the car, the side away from the
I'm working on a model of the Delaware & Hudson rebuilt panel-side
USRA hoppers, and I have some questions regarding certain details.
These cars, rebuilt around 1938, were in the number series 3221-
4200. There is only one photo that I am aware of, and it is in the
pay side of the NEB&W website. For those who subscribe, it can be
My questions are:
1. When looking at the B-end of the car, the brake cylinder is on
the left, and the air tank is on the right. Where should the
valve be located, and should it face to one side of the car, or to
2. Should each hopper have a door lock? Unfortunately, I don't
what kind of locks the prototype had.
3. When viewing the car from the side, should there be a brake
running between the hopper be visible? (as, for example, this B&O
4. What color would these hoppers have been painted? What is a
paint match, preferably water based?
Any help is appreciated.