Re: Weathering for Late Steam and Transition Era

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>

I don't think you are full of it at all, and indeed, your theory would
partially explain why two X29's painted at the same time could look
completely different 5 years later.

If X29 #1 took a load of machine parts out to LA, and then spent the
next 5 years being shunted around various parts of the arid southwest
carrying non-mineral loads, before going home, it'd look a lot different
from X29 #2 that just shuttled back and forth between Youngstown and
Pittsburgh and Cleveland and Weirton hauling a variety of nasty loads,
including lime, steel-making additives, barrels of solvent, etc.

There is a series of photos of X29 rebuilds in the "Color Guide" series
that just fascinates me. All were built in the same time period, and
repainted on various dates. All exhibit TOTALLY different weathering
and evidence of past loads. One was clearly used in flour or other fine
powder hauling, was not repainted, and looks terrible. Others have been
repainted, but exhibit varied weathering including rusty patches, or
just streaks, or minimal weathering, or totally scoured of paint, etc.
And the roofs range from totally peeled paint off of galvanized steel
with little patches, almost untouched paint, rusty patches, and
Asphaltum! Crazy! It is a modeling project on my "to do" list, in a
big way!

Here's another one: I always noticed that the few far-away hoppers I saw
in local consists (an occasional Santa Fe, Burlington, or SP) always
looked in much better condition than those born locally. I suspect it
may have had to do with where they spent most of their time, and not
because somebody used better paint. With all the rain falling on acidic
coal loads, in the northeast, could it have been that these hoppers were
literally being eaten away?

Take care,


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Weathering for Late Steam and Transition Era

On Aug 11, 12:43pm, Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Weathering for Late Steam and Transition Era
I would imagine, however, that in your area, things were very
The RRs there may not have been in huge financial trouble, you did not
have months of nothing by rain (made acidic by air contaminants), and
other things that would contribute to a situation like Pittsburgh in
post-war period.

Do these comments about regional weathering apply only to certain types
cars (e.g. hoppers)?

I would expect that free-roaming cars (box cars) would not show regional
weathering because they roamed "freely" across the U.S.A. I believe CIL
(a Monon box car) spent a LONG time traveling around the country before
coming back to the rust-belt industrial areas of Indiana.

So even if it's a PRR X29, it may have spent just as much time in the
desert southwest as a car from the FEC, MEC, or SP.

Do the photos and consist data back up my theory, or am I full of it?



Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533

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