Re: Ore car loads was Re: Re: same old, same old
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Pete;
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I can't tell you specifics about the CP fleet, but I can tell you that ore and other raw materials had vastly different unit weights, causing those RRs hauling a variety to go through a lot of modifications to accommodate the loads. I know of numerous instances where the RRs tried to adjust the size of the load, as loaded by the customer, by use of loading instruction plaques riveted to the sides of the cars, as a way of indicating to what depth a car was capable of being loaded, before the weight capacity was exceeded. These were mounted onto many covered hoppers, as they tended to carry a wider variety of load types than were placed in open hoppers. Some RRs installed side extensions, such as the coke "racks" installed by many on gons or early hoppers. Others built ore cars of considerably smaller volumetric capacity to haul the heavy granular ores. A problem was introduced when several big operations went to pelletized ores. The smaller ore cars produced to haul only granular ore were now too small to reach their weight capacity when loaded with pellets. The PRRs solution was to simply build larger cars (volumetrically) and let the old ones run at less than weight capacity. Others appear to have added extensions. Your hypothesis that ore produced at a certain location might be lighter is worth pursuing. Apparently ores produced at different areas of the country DID have different weights per cubic foot, so this would not be far-fetched. I have several samples of ore, including Venezuelan, Mesabi Range, and pellets. Each has a different unit weight. I also have notes regarding several photos of ore cars on the PRR that are loaded to different depths. Those with the bright orange granular ore seem to be loaded to the shallowest depth in photos. Do you also know anything about the CP or CN loading some type of ore (Chromium? Molybdenum? Manganese? I don't know), one scoop over each truck, into old wooden boxcars, for shipment over the border into the US? One of our PRR guys tells us that one of the worst wrecks he worked was a string of Canadian boxcars that derailed and went to pieces, that were loaded with VERY heavy ore. Why they didn't use hoppers, I don't know, either, but were there Canadian ores that required protection against rain? Or created some type of reaction when wet? Let us know what you find out. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of PBowers Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:03 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Ore car loads was Re: [STMFC] Re: same old, same old At 05:48 PM 9/7/05, you wrote: So what does any of this have to do with freight cars? - Ben HomDo they still discuss freight cars on this list?<GG> Canadian Pacific series 375000 and 373000 ore care were in some cases fitted with side extensions. I've never come up with info as to what the revised cu feet capacity was or why the cars were modified. As the cars serviced silver-zinc-lead mines in BC, my theory is the cars servicing the mines where lead content was lower, the ore was lighter thus requiring cars with a higher capacity. Another scenario was much of the ore was in concentrate form. Other mines sent raw ore out which might have been lighter thus requiring a higher capacity car. Does anyone have any comments on reasons why some ore cars had side extensions? Info on CP's revisions to cu feet? Peter Bowers -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/05 Yahoo! Groups Links |
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