Hello Sam and Ed, Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge). Thanks, Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@..., <mail@k...> wrote:
In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our
diagram books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so some of the road numbers are hard to read.
Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the door openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body styles.
The doors are as Ed mentioned.
Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others
have Apex.
Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were
the generic modern styles (each make has their own little differences but generally look similar) but the housings are not generic looking..
Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1
The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly black and the running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than likely black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.
Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car
On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:
Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time
period. I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with
regard to this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to
others. Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built
circa October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois
Railway Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this
time period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored
in an express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to
gain access.
The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars
came with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-
panel Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the
hand brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are
dated 1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red
sides, and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears
to be Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The
roofs may have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I
don't have conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often
the case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.
A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber
Stabilized trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997
Railmodel Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control
trucks. I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was
published January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still
applied to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,
which give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated
entirely with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
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