Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car
SamClarke
Hello Mark,
Glad to be of help. We have a nice close up slide of car #27471 from
Michael Bradley that shows the left side gusset.
The gussets look similar to some that are used on the later 50 foot
PS-1s. They are riveted, however, the top portion looks as though it is
under the side panel where no distinct seam appears but just a fold and
rivets. This is the way the drawings indicate on some of the 50 foot cars.
If you contact me directly off list I'll try and get some dimensions for
you.
Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products
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Glad to be of help. We have a nice close up slide of car #27471 from
Michael Bradley that shows the left side gusset.
The gussets look similar to some that are used on the later 50 foot
PS-1s. They are riveted, however, the top portion looks as though it is
under the side panel where no distinct seam appears but just a fold and
rivets. This is the way the drawings indicate on some of the 50 foot cars.
If you contact me directly off list I'll try and get some dimensions for
you.
Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car
From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car
Hello Sam and Ed,
Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking
for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door
gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is
difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are
welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset
to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge).
Thanks,
Mark Heiden
--- In STMFC@..., <mail@k...> wrote:diagram
In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of ourbooks. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times sosome of theroad numbers are hard to read.door
Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of theopenings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot bodystyles.have Apex.
The doors are as Ed mentioned.
Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all othersthe generic
Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels weremodern styles (each make has their own little differences butgenerally looksimilar) but the housings are not generic looking..black and the
Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1
The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainlyrunning boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more thanlikelyblack but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.period.
Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car
On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our timeregard toI'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only withothers.this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend tocircaThanks.Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, builtRailwayOctober. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The IllinoistimeMuseum has the correspondence files for cars built during thisin anperiod. However, be advised the documents are currently storedgainexpress reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult tocameaccess.
The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 carspanelwith Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-handSuperior doors. I don't have any definitive information on thedatedbrakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have aresides,1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car redto beand the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appearsroofs mayApex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). Thedon't havehave been coated with black car cement when new, however, Itheconclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is oftenStabilizedcase, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.
A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A BarberRailmodeltrucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997trucks.Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-ControlpublishedI photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view wasappliedJanuary 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement stillwhichto the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,entirelygive me reason to believe the roofs were originally coatedwith black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
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