Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car


Hello Mark,

Glad to be of help. We have a nice close up slide of car #27471 from
Michael Bradley that shows the left side gusset.
The gussets look similar to some that are used on the later 50 foot
PS-1s. They are riveted, however, the top portion looks as though it is
under the side panel where no distinct seam appears but just a fold and
rivets. This is the way the drawings indicate on some of the 50 foot cars.
If you contact me directly off list I'll try and get some dimensions for

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car

Hello Sam and Ed,

Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking
for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door
gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is
difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are
welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset
to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge).

Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@..., <mail@k...> wrote:

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our
books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so
some of the
road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the
openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others
have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were
the generic
modern styles (each make has their own little differences but
generally look
similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly
black and the
running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than
black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car

On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with
regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored
in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears
to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The
roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I
don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated
with black car cement.
Ed Hawkins

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