Hello Sam and Ed,

Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking
for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door
gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is
difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are
welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset
to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge).

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@..., <mail@k...> wrote:

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our

diagram

books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so

some of the

road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the

door

openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body

styles.

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others

have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were

the generic

modern styles (each make has their own little differences but

generally look

similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly

black and the

running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than

likely

black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car

On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time

period.

I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with

regard to

this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to

others.

Thanks.

Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built

circa

October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois

Railway

Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this

time

period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored

in an

express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to

gain

access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars

came

with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-

panel

Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the

hand

brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are

dated

1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red

sides,

and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears

to be

Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The

roofs may

have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I

don't have

conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often

the

case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber

Stabilized

trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997

Railmodel

Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control

trucks.

I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was

published

January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still

applied

to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,

which

give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated

entirely

with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins









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