Re: AC&F Type 11 (was Cities Service tank car question)

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>

That same fancy cast jacking pad is one item I pointed out in my clinic
(I noticed a LOT of napping, so I am not sure they were listening), but
I am not sure how it relates to each Type definitively. There is that
one with the "fins" on it, that appears to have been cast and then
incorporated into the underframe. I am also not sure about the issue of
poling pockets, and when these were changed, by date or type. Some
appear to have been cast, and then others stamped, but I have not seen
the cars in person to be able to tell.

The GATC cars are equally interesting, with multiple variations in
poling pocket/bolster end castings. I am sure Richard has all the facts
on these issues.

I hope you keep us informed on your project. One day it would make an
interesting project to collect all the photos of tank cars that folks
have built, and put together a modeling summary. I'd also like to see
all the tank cars that Richard has built!

Take care,


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Rob Kirkham
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] AC&F Type 11 (was Cities Service tank car question)

Thanks for the reference to the PRR cars Elden. That is helpful. As I
scrutinized the photos in Ed Kaminski's Tank Cars AC&F Co, 1865-1955, I
thought I could see one distinguishing feature between the Type 7
and the Type 11 cars: the earlier cars appear to have a more complicated

casting for a jacking pad built integrally into the side sill bolster
while the later cars appear to have this part built like those found on
type 21 cars. I always feel like I'm taking a shot in the dark when I
such observations for critique. But frankly, its the only real
difference I
was able to pick out.

I also noted that between the Type 7 (and 11) cars and the Type 21 cars,
end sills went from a fishbelly profile to the type 21 straight end
And the hole through which the tank bands at the bolsters/saddles emerge

from the underside of the tank are a rounded triangular shape, rather
than a
rounded slot shape on the Type 7 and 11 cars. And, of course, the side
sills on the 21's had the C section channel with the flanges facing out
rather than in - as it appears they do on the Type 7 and 11 cars.

Spotting features? I hope so.

Rob Kirkham

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