Re: GN 7'9-10" IH wood Xm's


On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:27:09 -0800 (PST) Earl Tuson <>
In 1931, the Great Northern had a substantial fleet of 27,642 box
cars. A
majority portion of these cars had similar dimensions , reported at
40' or
40'1" IL, 8'7" IW, and 7'9" to -10" IH. These cars can be further
divided into
4 groups based on underframe and specific dimensions.
Five series featured (presumably) wood underframes, totaling 7790
note in the Register also states that "A number of cars in (these)
series are
equipped with steel underframes.") Two series are listed as having
steel center
sills with 1379 cars included. An example of these, with wood ends
and arch
bar trucks, is shown in the 1919 CBC, albeit a car with a number
from a series
which was no longer listed in 1931. One unique series had a hopper
bottom, and
Nehrich published a Charles Winter photo of one of these in his FCG
showing wood ends and Andrews trucks. All of these cars, with one
had eave heights of 11'10" and were 12'7" to the top of the running
The one series of WUF cars that differed was curiously listed as
being 11'12"!
to the eaves, and 12'8" to the running board.
Lastly, the GN rostered 4 series, totalling 10459 cars, all
equipped with
SUF, and measuring 12'2" to the eaves and 13' to the running boards.

Cloverhouse sells dry transfers apparently intended to represent
this last car
type that feature a front facing goat and a date of 1922.
Nehrich states that some of these cars had Murphy ends, and that
states that many received various steel ends in the twenties, and
rode on a
variety of trucks ranging from Andrews to Bettendorf (T) to spring
plank ARA's.
Beyond the data I have compiled above, can anyone point me
towards other
published material and photographs depicting these cars, and confirm
that the
Cloverhouse lettering is correct for these cars in 1931? In fact,
am I even
correct in lumping all these cars into one family? Can anyone state
authority as to what roofs were applied to them, what styles of
they had (beyond the basic type I've listed,) and more about ends?
Thank you
in advance for any help you can offer.

Earl Tuson

Mainline published an article with photos and diagrams, but no plans.

F&C did an HO kit for the wood end cars twice (with and without the
hoppers), the first is garbage, the second is decent. Don't buy from a
dealer unless you know they are current kits. Direct from F&C is the
best way, especially since they'll sell two for the price of one.

Pacific Limited did the cars in O scale brass. They are very good except
the metal end version which is an accurate reproduction of the drawings
prepared by a passenger car person who had no concept of what a
Youngstown type end should look like. Came out looking like corrugated
alum siding.

Byron Rose
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