----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Unloading Gondolas was:Coal In Gondolas Etc


Steve;
Was there a small trestle to elevate the cars enough that they could be
unloaded using a small chute (like opening up alternating doors on a Santa Fe
drop bottom gon), or did they have to shovel the entire car up and over the
side? Those hatches look high, and those working it must've been awfully
tired at the end of the day!

Thanks for the nice link,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Steve
Sandifer
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:48 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Unloading Gondolas was:Coal In Gondolas Etc

All over Iowa and Kansas you will find track side coal sheds like this one:
http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Howard/Hamilton/Coal/Index.htm
A Gondola would be parked on one side, the roof hatches of the shed opened,
and the coal was shoveled by hand into it. The hardest part was getting one
cut from top to bottom. Thereafter unloading was easier. These bins were
usually on the house track and make an easy industry to add that takes little
space on a layout. http://users2.ev1.net/~jssand/SFJct/CoOpC.htm

I visited with the owner of the grain elevator in Moline, KS. He ordered
about 3 gondolas of coal a year to be delivered to municipal buildings and
schools in the area. Those were unloaded directly from gondola to truck and
delivered, also a feature of the house track.
______________
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----- Original Message -----
From: Miller, Andrew S.
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Unloading Gondolas was:Coal In Gondolas Etc

It as been my contention for some time that the low side gondola was
done in by the minimum wage law!

regards,

Andy Miller

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of wmcclark1980
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 4:19 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Unloading Gondolas was:Coal In Gondolas
Etc

Not just high school kids. In Tony Thompson's book "Southern
Pacific
Freight Cars, Volume 1: Gondolas and Stock Cars" there's a Chet
McCoid
photo taken April 10, 1952 in San Saba, Texas showing some
well-past
high school guys hand unloading a gondola of what appears to be
sand.
I sure wouldn't want to be helping them <g>.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike and List,
>
> Coal was loaded into boxcars even in Indiana. I have a plan
for a
> new coal mine tipple being built on the Milw (possibly also
joint
> with Monon or C&EI) in the late 1950's and one track has a
boxcar
loader.
>
> As for unloading flat bottom gons, a shovel and a high school
kid
> working cheap are just fine. I have a friend, who is a baby
boomer,
> and his first paying job, off the farm in Wisconsin, was a
Saturday
> with a scoop shovel, unloading a gon of coal at the local
coal
> dealer. this was in the mid 1960's.
>
> current readers tend to forget in the classic era of this
list, hand
> shoveling or hand unloading of product was very common. Labor
was
> cheaper and more ready to tackle these sort of jobs.
>
> Ted
<snip the rest>

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