Re: Canadian box cars in the US
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Don Burn wrote:
The closest hard data which may answer your question is an analysis of the last 88 boxcars on the Suncook Valley RR before it was embargoed and abandoned in December 1952. The SunVal was a shortline operating east of Concord NH with about 19 miles of track in 1952.
Inbound boxcar loads included grain for the local chicken farms, salt for the roads, cement and lumber. Outbound boxcars loads included box shooks, box material, woodchips, pulpwood and LCL.
There were 82 inbound boxcar loads and six empties although some of these empties could have carried LCL - for the purpose of this analysis, we will assume them to be empty. Outbound, there were 35 loads and 53 empty boxcars.
The distribution of ownership of the inbound cars were 26 Canadian owned, 58 US owned and Four Unknown. All inbound empties were owned by US RR's.
Outbound, of the 26 Canadian cars, only four were reloaded. The four Unknown cars returned to Concord empty. That leaves 31 US boxcars which carried outbound loads - 25 of them being reloaded on the SunVal. 27 of the US boxcars returned to Concord empty. Only four of the 26 Canadian cars were reloaded while 25 of the 52 inbound US loaded cars were reloaded - conclusion - there was a reluctance on the SunVal to reload Canadian cars.
The distribution of ownership of the 88 boxcars were (the US cars are by ICC Region):
Owners . . . In Lds . . In MT's . Out Lds . . Out MT's . . . Total
Total . . . . . . . 82 . . . . . 6 . . . . . . 35 . . . . . . 53 . . . . . . 88
Unknown . . . . 4 . . . . . - . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . 4 . . . .. . . . 4
CN . . . . . . . . 11 . .. . . - . . . .. . . . 3 . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . 11
CP . . . . . .. . . 14 . . . . .- . . . . .. . . 1 . . . . . . 13 . . . . . . . 14
ONT . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . - . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . - . . . .. . . . 1
US RR ICC Region
New England . . 1 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . . 2 . . . B&M
Great Lakes . . 13 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . 14 . . . NYC, ERIE, DL&W, GTW, NKP, etc.
Central East . . . 8 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . 9 . . . PRR, B&O, etc.
Pocahontas . . .. 3 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 4 . . . C&O, N&W
Southern . . .. . . 9 . . . . - . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 9 . . . ACL, L&N, SAL, SOU
Northwest . . . . 6 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 7 . . . C&NW, GN, NP, MILW
Central West . . 5 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 2 . . . ATSF, SP, UP
Southwest . . . . 7 . . . . - . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . .. . 4 . . . . . . . . 7 . . . MP, SLSF, T&NO
Tim Gilbert
On the ratio Canadian box cars what was the ratio on the US subsidiaries,Don,
such as the Central Vermont, and the CP operations in New England? Was
there a higher percentage on these roads?
The closest hard data which may answer your question is an analysis of the last 88 boxcars on the Suncook Valley RR before it was embargoed and abandoned in December 1952. The SunVal was a shortline operating east of Concord NH with about 19 miles of track in 1952.
Inbound boxcar loads included grain for the local chicken farms, salt for the roads, cement and lumber. Outbound boxcars loads included box shooks, box material, woodchips, pulpwood and LCL.
There were 82 inbound boxcar loads and six empties although some of these empties could have carried LCL - for the purpose of this analysis, we will assume them to be empty. Outbound, there were 35 loads and 53 empty boxcars.
The distribution of ownership of the inbound cars were 26 Canadian owned, 58 US owned and Four Unknown. All inbound empties were owned by US RR's.
Outbound, of the 26 Canadian cars, only four were reloaded. The four Unknown cars returned to Concord empty. That leaves 31 US boxcars which carried outbound loads - 25 of them being reloaded on the SunVal. 27 of the US boxcars returned to Concord empty. Only four of the 26 Canadian cars were reloaded while 25 of the 52 inbound US loaded cars were reloaded - conclusion - there was a reluctance on the SunVal to reload Canadian cars.
The distribution of ownership of the 88 boxcars were (the US cars are by ICC Region):
Owners . . . In Lds . . In MT's . Out Lds . . Out MT's . . . Total
Total . . . . . . . 82 . . . . . 6 . . . . . . 35 . . . . . . 53 . . . . . . 88
Unknown . . . . 4 . . . . . - . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . 4 . . . .. . . . 4
CN . . . . . . . . 11 . .. . . - . . . .. . . . 3 . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . 11
CP . . . . . .. . . 14 . . . . .- . . . . .. . . 1 . . . . . . 13 . . . . . . . 14
ONT . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . - . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . - . . . .. . . . 1
US RR ICC Region
New England . . 1 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . . 2 . . . B&M
Great Lakes . . 13 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . 14 . . . NYC, ERIE, DL&W, GTW, NKP, etc.
Central East . . . 8 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . 9 . . . PRR, B&O, etc.
Pocahontas . . .. 3 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 4 . . . C&O, N&W
Southern . . .. . . 9 . . . . - . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 9 . . . ACL, L&N, SAL, SOU
Northwest . . . . 6 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 7 . . . C&NW, GN, NP, MILW
Central West . . 5 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 2 . . . ATSF, SP, UP
Southwest . . . . 7 . . . . - . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . .. . 4 . . . . . . . . 7 . . . MP, SLSF, T&NO
Tim Gilbert