----- Original Message -----
From: timboconnor@comcast.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 13:59
Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Longitudinal" hopper



Could these be the prototype in question?

# Ga-168 Hopper Cars Series 76700-76999 built 1969 longitudinal
hoppers
# Ga-170 Hopper Cars Series 64025-64038 built 1969 copper
concentrate service

Milwaukee also tried the wind resistance idea -- they built
hoppers designed
with a top that was mechanically closed as the train slowly
rolled. The cars had
these big 'arms' sticking up IIRC.

Tim

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@rrwebhost.com>
> Tim,
>
> Yes it does but the AT&SF seemed to be full of
> these oddball ideas. If you take a three bay
> GA-122, remove the hoppers and replace with
> lengthwise doors and build up or borrow flat car
> ends, that model on e-bay is what you are going
> to end up with.
>
> Somewhere I have photos of their attempt to reduce
> the wind resistance of modern coal hoppers by
> putting bonnets over the open end areas. The test
> process even included a locomotive with a boom
> sticking out about 30' forwards to put wind
> measurement instruments.
>
> The purpose built 1963 B-L-H cars are odd enough
> in themselves. I don't know what their center of
> gravity was but it must have been rather high.
>
> Russ Strodtz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: timboconnor@comcast.net
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 12:36
> Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Longitudinal" hopper
>
>
>
> Russ I think you are right that the prototype car was built
for
> copper concentrates. SP had some really weird looking cars
> built around the same time period for that commodity. That
> model of a hopper car on a flat car body just looks silly
IMO!
>
> Tim O'Connor



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