One of the strengths of Model Railroading is that it has such a broad range of activities that you can become involved with.... Is it necessary to make "Toy Trains" and "RTR" derogatory terms? All those "out of the box" people help finance the specialty kits, parts, and scratchbuilding supplies because the sales to "your" end of the Hobby doesn't pay the rent and keep the lights on in any local hobby shop. Let's get back to our sharing our passion for Steam Era Freight Cars and stop worrying that someone else is in denial and really isn't a Modeler. Charlie Vlk